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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Just this note: I believe the book refers to the London Symphony Orchestra. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Pete Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:02 am Post subject: |
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There are many trumpet players out there that have different personalities. The key is to associate with players that are musicians first. Wayne Bergeron, Tony Kadleck, Bobby Shew, Kevin Burns, Brian MacDonald, Roger Ingram, Maynard Ferguson and Doc Severinsen for example, are just a few that I have heard live and I am acquainted and have performed with a few of them. They have a professional attitude with their playing but are not snobs about who they are and what they do.
We have all played with some people that are critical of everyone's playing except their own. And the joke: How many trumpet players does it take to screw in a light Bulb? Four! One to screw in the bulb, and the other three tell how much better they could do it!
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:47 am Post subject: |
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John Mohan wrote: | His personality. |
I was thinking that one, |
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deleted_user_02066fd New Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:59 am Post subject: |
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I forgot in my previous post that I met All Hirt when I was a kid. He was the first big name I met. He was a really good guy. He had enormous hands and my hand disappeared as we shook hands.
Later in my early 20's I did a week long summer workshop with Danny Stiles. A name that you don't hear much since he passed away. Danny was a marvelous player and also a pretty good guy.
The only other big names I've met are Lew Soloff and Maurice Andre.
Lew was a very eccentric, quirky guy. He was also a good guy. Maurice did not speak much English but was very friendly. |
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spitvalve Heavyweight Member
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Proteus wrote: | About four decades ago, while I was studying music at McGill University in Montreal, I recall reading a wonderful book entitled "To Speak For Ourselves". It was all about the musicians in the Boston Symphony, their personalities and the personalities & characteristics of their instruments...and how a person's personality tends to lead them to choose a particular instrument - or how the instrument's character and the demands of playing a particular instrument end up changing their personality.
Violinists were characterized as 'high-strung' (pun intended?) and akin to racehorses; bassoonists were hobbyists, always whittling away on reeds; oboeists were a little neurotic (the backpressure?); trombone & tuba players were the jokers and the life of the party; and trumpeters were the dapper, well-respected gentlemen of the orchestra. Hmmm...
It's no doubt long out of print, but definitely worth looking for in your local (music) library. |
From Garrison Keillor's Young Lutheran's Guide to the Orchestra: "The trumpet is the brass instrument you imagine as Christian, thinking of Gideon and Gabriel, and then you meet one in real life, and you realize how driven these people are. They don't want to wear black tie; they want to wear capes and swords and tassels; they want to play as loud as they can and see mallards drop from the ceiling. Of the people who've keeled over dead at orchestra concerts, most of them were killed by a long trumpet passage. And most of them were glad to go." _________________ Bryan Fields
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Proteus Veteran Member
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solo soprano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:15 am Post subject: Re: Trumpet Player personality |
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Eddie Jeffries wrote: |
Maynard Ferguson - extroverted, gregarious, funny
Bill Chase - shy, quiet
Doc Severisen - regular guy next door, surpisingly normal
Lin Biviano - skirt chasing, swagger, let 'er rip enthusiasm
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George Pee Wee Erwin - a truly nice guy, loved by all, modestly underplays his own extraordinary musical gifts, coloring everything he did and said was a quirky sense of humor, made friends easily and keep them for life. He was a musician's musician.
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William M Weinberg _________________ Bill Knevitt, who taught me the seven basic physical elements and the ten principles of physical trumpet playing and how to develop them.
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Trumpet Player personality |
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solo soprano wrote: |
George Pee Wee Erwin - a truly nice guy, loved by all, modestly underplays his own extraordinary musical gifts, coloring everything he did and said was a quirky sense of humor, made friends easily and keep them for life. He was a musician's musician. |
My Dad had a signed autograph of his picture,and I think this description is accurate. Like great playing, you can see common traits among all of it despite style, equipment, or school of thought or teaching. Same goes for trumpet player personality; lots of variation of course, but some common elements. It's a chicken and the egg thing? Do we choose the instrument because of our personality? Does the instrument "choose" us? Or are we later shaped due to the demands of the instrument? I think its a process, and appreciate the insights here. |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Pete wrote: | And the joke: How many trumpet players does it take to screw in a light Bulb? Four! One to screw in the bulb, and the other three tell how much better they could do it!
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Pete, I'm a trumpet player and my joke is funnier than yours. It only takes ONE trumpet player to screw in a light bulb. We just stand still, and the world revolves around us.
That joke is funny because its so absurd. As others have alluded, trumpet players are the hardest working people you could meet, and it usually makes us a bit eccentric or quirky. I've played rock in a lot of environments where no one even knows I'm a trumpet player; either keys, bass or vocals, and sometimes all three. The difference in personality really becomes apparent! They don't know how to relate or what to expect, but always respect the work ethic and often up their game. If I stick with them long enough to work in my axe, they never recognize "the trumpet player personality," but it's always defined in roughly similar terms. |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:35 am Post subject: |
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spitvalve wrote: | From Garrison Keillor's Young Lutheran's Guide to the Orchestra: "The trumpet is the brass instrument you imagine as Christian, thinking of Gideon and Gabriel, and then you meet one in real life, and you realize how driven these people are. They don't want to wear black tie; they want to wear capes and swords and tassels; they want to play as loud as they can and see mallards drop from the ceiling. Of the people who've keeled over dead at orchestra concerts, most of them were killed by a long trumpet passage. And most of them were glad to go." |
That's pretty funny. Here's the best description of all:
Michael Stewart, DMA wrote: | “There are two sides to a trumpeter’s personality: there is the one that lives only to lay waste to the woodwinds and strings, leaving them lying blue and lifeless along the swath of destruction that is a trumpeter’s fury; then, there’s the dark side…” |
And yes, this quote was posted on the first page. But it's just so... good. And this time, the original author is getting credited. |
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solo soprano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:05 am Post subject: |
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solo soprano wrote: | "There are two sides to a trumpeter's personality.
There is the one that lives only to lay waste to woodwinds, strings, french horns, percussionists, and trombones, leaving them lying blue and lifeless alongside the swath of destruction that is the trumpeter's fury. And then.....
there is the dark side."
Michael Stewart DMA |
Thanks,
Didn't know the author only the quote. _________________ Bill Knevitt, who taught me the seven basic physical elements and the ten principles of physical trumpet playing and how to develop them.
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Trumpet player compliment:
"Nice solo," he lied. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
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Croquethed Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:48 am Post subject: |
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I was speaking to the CIO of a small software shop today about his use of apprenntices instead of CompSci graduates as new hires. He said he noticed the best of them have one thing in common - they play an instrument.
"And trumpet players are the smartest, right?" I asked, and he laughed. No sooner had it left my mouth than I knew I had committed a "trumpet player" thing.
There's a similarity in old lacrosse players. I asked some of the players from our local HS girls' team if they could guess what position I played. The coach, without batting an eye, said "You were a goalie."
"How'd you know that?"
"Only goalies ask that." |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Interesting to hear the mixed experiences people have had with Doc. He was cordial if not bubbly the couple of times I met him. Someone related to me a couple of interactions with Doc a number of years apart that left a bad taste in his mouth - he made an effort to engage Doc the second time thinking the first time might have been a fluke. As with a lot of people Doc was his big trumpet hero. He actually said he was tempted to pop Doc one after the second encounter - but instead he said something insulting and left. In both scenarios I can see where there might have been a misunderstanding and/or bad timing. Two sides to every story and all. Or maybe not.
I think it depends when you catch him. One story I heard he allegedly shut his hotel door in the face of Al Hirt and a guy Al was going to introduce to Doc. Maybe not true at all or a distorted version and there was more to the story that got lost along the way. Apparently Doc had been practicing - maybe pissed about being interrupted?
Yet in contrast - another hotel room related story a young lady told - she and her girl friend went to his hotel room to get an autograph and heard him having a loud argument with his wife. Going against obvious decorum and common sense they knocked anyway. You'd think that would be regarded as intrusive and he wouldn't be in any mood to indulge fans - yet per the anecdote when he answered the door he apparently couldn't have been any friendlier - gladly signed for them, chit-chatted. When they parted and the door closed they heard the argument resume. Maybe Doc was less sensitive to being interrupted by a couple of cute girls than by a gruff, bearded 300 lb guy - lol.
I personally would be a terrible celebrity - the notion of strangers constantly coming up to me wanting to engage me is about as appealing to me as a root canal. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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solo soprano Heavyweight Member
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John Mohan wrote: | Michael Stewart, DMA wrote: | “There are two sides to a trumpeter’s personality: there is the one that lives only to lay waste to the woodwinds and strings, leaving them lying blue and lifeless along the swath of destruction that is a trumpeter’s fury; then, there’s the dark side…” |
And yes, this quote was posted on the first page. But it's just so... good. And this time, the original author is getting credited. |
John, some credit Irving Bush as the original author of this quote. _________________ Bill Knevitt, who taught me the seven basic physical elements and the ten principles of physical trumpet playing and how to develop them.
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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peanuts56 wrote: | Doc was a completely different story. he was signing cd's after 2 shows I had gone to. It was pretty obvious that he didn't want to be there. He barely looked up and if you tried to engage him in any small talk he blew you off. He was very rude to my wife when she tried to speak to him. My wife is a quiet, gentle soul and he was a complete ass. |
I wonder if it's possible he wasn't feeling well? _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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deleted_user_02066fd New Member
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Robert P wrote: | peanuts56 wrote: | Doc was a completely different story. he was signing cd's after 2 shows I had gone to. It was pretty obvious that he didn't want to be there. He barely looked up and if you tried to engage him in any small talk he blew you off. He was very rude to my wife when she tried to speak to him. My wife is a quiet, gentle soul and he was a complete ass. |
I wonder if it's possible he wasn't feeling well? |
If it had happened once I would have given him a pass. It happened twice and his arrogant behavior to my wife was simply uncalled for.
No doubt he's an amazing player even as he approaches 90, doesn't make you a good person. |
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Oncewasaplayer Heavyweight Member
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This is a great quote from above:
"All trumpet players must be comfortable playing like a gladiator, with bravado, as a leader, setting the pace and musical tone and playing all the most exciting parts in any musical score.
"It's not a fanfare without a trumpet, and a trumpet player has to have a fanfare in their soul."
Onstage the trumpet player has to be able to lead, play out and set the tone for a group. In the recent Brass Chat, Chris Martin explains that he is a shy fellow but was able to learn how to bring out his playing on the stage. It's a personality choice and challenge.
Offstage, it's a different matter. Trumpet players are human--complex and different. Some days musicians are exhausted on the road, they are busy and you're interrupting them, or simply not up to engage with fans. And to be honest, we really can't demand that celebrities be our friends. We hope they'll be nice, talk to us, give us a story or a nugget of wisdom but that's because we are fans. The relationship with celebrities is complicated and as fans we have unrealistic expectations. Some days our heroes might extend themselves and other days they need to retreat to recharge their energies. Do you really want strangers knocking at your hotel room for autographs? _________________ Getzen 800DLX cornet
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