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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:02 pm Post subject: Does fresh silver plate have to be buffed? |
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Do horns come out of the tank pretty much done - i.e. with that glossy silver finish? _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on the plater. From Anderson, I've played my own horns without color buffing and they look great. It's why I use them. _________________ "Strive for tone." -John Coppola
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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yourbrass wrote: | Depends on the plater. From Anderson, I've played my own horns without color buffing and they look great. It's why I use them. |
Can you clarify the above? Color buffing? _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:32 am Post subject: |
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When an instrument comes back from plating, there sometimes are imperfections that need to be smoothed. There can be clouding as well. Color buffing is using a soft buffing wheel and jeweler's rouge to achieve a high finish, like a new instrument. _________________ "Strive for tone." -John Coppola
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Steve Hollahan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:13 am Post subject: Buffing new silver plate should not be necessary |
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Color buff should be done before plating. It is the last stage before cleaning and plating. _________________ Steve Hollahan
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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yourbrass wrote: | When an instrument comes back from plating, there sometimes are imperfections that need to be smoothed. There can be clouding as well. Color buffing is using a soft buffing wheel and jeweler's rouge to achieve a high finish, like a new instrument. |
Steve Hollahan wrote: | Color buff should be done before plating. It is the last stage before cleaning and plating. |
Battle of the conflicting explanations!
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Buffing new silver plate should not be necessary |
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Steve Hollahan wrote: | Color buff should be done before plating. It is the last stage before cleaning and plating. |
I know that, bro! Before and after, right? _________________ "Strive for tone." -John Coppola
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lipshurt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:17 am Post subject: |
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color buff means buff with rouge (red)buffing compound.
New silver plating should look great. If it doesn't it means there was a problem like bad cleaning before plating, or pollution in the tank. Lots of things can go wrong. Sometimes if there is a problem, you can buff the silver and it will remove the problem, but that is only if the problem is on top of the silver. Usually that means oxidization, andcoudy-ness is an example of oxidization. If that happens, then the silver that remains after buffing is thinner by some amount.
Bottom line is that you should not need to polish to make it look better. But polish with silver polish does coat it with some sort of tarnish preventative with also feels better to the touch. SO yes polish brand new plate, but not to make it look better. _________________ Mouthpiece Maker
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Steve Hollahan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:57 pm Post subject: Color buff |
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What goes in the tank, comes out. A good color buff shouldn't need a buff after. It is only a few molecules thick and even a quick buff could cut through the silver.
Been there done that. _________________ Steve Hollahan
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Color buff |
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Steve Hollahan wrote: | What goes in the tank, comes out. A good color buff shouldn't need a buff after. It is only a few molecules thick and even a quick buff could cut through the silver.
Been there done that. |
Hasn't been my experience, but that's OK, everyone has different experiences. Also been there and done that. _________________ "Strive for tone." -John Coppola
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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I got a sample of plated brass from a place that sells chemicals to do alkaline silver plate. When I got it the sample had a satin texture. I got it to buff to a mirror shine with a few passes of Wright's silver cream but I wondered how brass instruments coming out of a plating tank look. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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