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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:35 pm Post subject: Famous players who don't/didn't have a double C? |
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Some I'm pretty sure didn't. By having a dub C I mean one they could dependably use in performance, not a lucky squeak one day.
Al Hirt - highest I've heard him go is a G
Harry James - heard one recording where he gets an Ab
Louis
Miles
Goz - or so I've read
Either of the Candoli brothers (?)
Chet Baker
Shorty Rogers
Bunny Berigan
Ziggy Elman
Bobby Hackett
Bix - I assume most of the players of his era?
Not sure about Rafael Mendez.
I've read that Herbert L. Clarke supposedly had a solid dub C he just never used it in performance.
Anyone know about Tine Helseth or Alison Balsom? AFAIK neither have tackled the Michael Haydn concerto.
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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You do know that range isn't everything, don't you? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Uh - you do know that range isn't everything, don't you? |
Looking above...hmm, nope, don't see where I said range is everything.
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Just asking, Robert. Reading these forums sometimes one gets the impression that technique, by far, trumps musicality. You'd think music begins and ends with Maynard playing "Hey Jude". _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Just asking, Robert. Reading these forums sometimes one gets the impression that technique, by far, trumps musicality. You'd think music begins and ends with Maynard playing "Hey Jude". |
I agree with you. I'd modify it to say that high-noting is given more emphasis by many than technique or musicality. There's a particular famous player a lot of people rave about who I find tedious to listen to because every time they play they apparently feel it's necessary to demonstrate how high they can play - ironically I personally don't think their high playing is that great.
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Benge.nut Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Kind of a wide range of players and styles. Lots of those styles don't have much call for those kinds of high chops.
Maybe a better question, to narrow down players, would be "What famous LEAD TRUMPET players don't have a strong/useable double high C?"
Because the list of ALL famous trumpeters with out a double C would go on and on forever. No? |
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Benge.nut Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Benge.nut wrote: | Kind of a wide range of players and styles. Lots of those styles don't have much call for those kinds of high chops.
Maybe a better question, to narrow down players, would be "What famous LEAD TRUMPET players don't have a strong/useable double high C?"
Because the list of ALL famous trumpeters with out a double C would go on and on forever. No? |
To that list I'd add Chuck Findley and Rick Baptist, as they come to mind first. |
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snichols Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | You'd think music begins and ends with Maynard playing "Hey Jude". |
It doesn't? |
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HERMOKIWI Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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There's a big difference between playing a double C when you happen to want to/feel like it in an improvisational solo and playing a double C that has to be there at that exact moment because it's written into a part.
There are a few handfuls of strictly lead players who can do this but whether they're "famous" or not is a matter of opinion. The players on your list were all known as jazz improvisation soloists except for Goz, Rafael Mendez and Herbert L. Clarke.
When I think of jazz improvisation soloists who are/were famous who can/could do this I think first of Maynard, Eric Miyashiro, Arturo, Adam Rapa, Bill Chase and Cat Anderson. There are/were others but it's a relatively small number of players if you're counting only players who are/were extremely strong and reliable players as to this ability.
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Benge.nut wrote: | To that list I'd add Chuck Findley and Rick Baptist, as they come to mind first. |
Rick Baptist? That surprises me if true. I would have just assumed he had a dub C. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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Dan in Sydney Veteran Member
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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At which note then would you draw the final line: high G? |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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etc-etc wrote: | At which note then would you draw the final line: high G? |
Can't tell who that's for - are you asking me? _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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Benge.nut Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Robert P wrote: | etc-etc wrote: | At which note then would you draw the final line: high G? |
Can't tell who that's for - are you asking me? |
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LpJOxbaC8YU |
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EdMann Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hell, even I played a dbl C once, or twice, or who cares? I'd challenge you to find anyone besides trumpet players who care a whit about a particular note. I've done casuals where, for some rare reason, I played crazy high, and the only one who cared was their dog.
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Robert P wrote: | etc-etc wrote: | At which note then would you draw the final line: high G? |
Can't tell who that's for - are you asking me? |
Everyone is welcome to reply - I was wondering what is the lowest top note, reliably and controllably produced, that is currently acceptable for professional trumpet playing. |
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Jabroni Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:45 pm Post subject: WORST THREAD |
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THIS IS BY FAR THE WORST THREAD OF THE YEAR. YOU SUCK |
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lipshurt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Chuck Findlay has some pretty good double C range notes on lots of very famous recordings.
Miles Davis goes pretty easy up to high A on '64 funny valentine, and easy up B natural on a captured radio broadcast that was released.
dizzy Gillespie tears it up effortless to Bb in the 1958-59 era
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: WORST THREAD |
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Jabroni wrote: | THIS IS BY FAR THE WORST THREAD OF THE YEAR. YOU SUCK |
You're just mad because you're not one of the cool kids. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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I would be very surprised if the Condoli Bro who played first didn't have a DHC.
Why comment negatively on the content of a thread? If it doesn't interest you, why even read it? It asks a simple question. No need for all the negativity!
Working through transcriptions of Dizzy's solos, I'm amazed at how NOT high they are. He made it sound like he was playing much higher. The highest he recorded was a Bb?
What about Roy Eldridge? I've listened to him in some "cutting sessions," and I don't think he made it to DHC. |
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