Famous players who don't/didn't have a double C?

Robert P · Heavyweight Member Joined: 28 Feb 2013 Posts: 2595

Some I'm pretty sure didn't. By having a dub C I mean one they could dependably use in performance, not a lucky squeak one day.

Al Hirt - highest I've heard him go is a G
Harry James - heard one recording where he gets an Ab
Louis
Miles
Goz - or so I've read
Either of the Candoli brothers (?)
Chet Baker
Shorty Rogers
Bunny Berigan
Ziggy Elman
Bobby Hackett
Bix - I assume most of the players of his era?

Not sure about Rafael Mendez.

I've read that Herbert L. Clarke supposedly had a solid dub C he just never used it in performance.

Anyone know about Tine Helseth or Alison Balsom? AFAIK neither have tackled the Michael Haydn concerto.

Others? Corrections to the above?
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kehaulani · Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:38 pm Post subject:

You do know that range isn't everything, don't you?
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kehaulani · Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:46 pm Post subject:

Just asking, Robert. Reading these forums sometimes one gets the impression that technique, by far, trumps musicality. You'd think music begins and ends with Maynard playing "Hey Jude".
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Benge.nut · Heavyweight Member Joined: 18 Mar 2017 Posts: 695

Kind of a wide range of players and styles. Lots of those styles don't have much call for those kinds of high chops.

Maybe a better question, to narrow down players, would be "What famous LEAD TRUMPET players don't have a strong/useable double high C?"

Because the list of ALL famous trumpeters with out a double C would go on and on forever. No?

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snichols · Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:12 pm Post subject:

HERMOKIWI · Heavyweight Member Joined: 24 Dec 2008 Posts: 2581

There's a big difference between playing a double C when you happen to want to/feel like it in an improvisational solo and playing a double C that has to be there at that exact moment because it's written into a part.

There are a few handfuls of strictly lead players who can do this but whether they're "famous" or not is a matter of opinion. The players on your list were all known as jazz improvisation soloists except for Goz, Rafael Mendez and Herbert L. Clarke.

When I think of jazz improvisation soloists who are/were famous who can/could do this I think first of Maynard, Eric Miyashiro, Arturo, Adam Rapa, Bill Chase and Cat Anderson. There are/were others but it's a relatively small number of players if you're counting only players who are/were extremely strong and reliable players as to this ability.

Being able to play a strong or reliable double C has never been a prerequisite for being a famous trumpet player or even being a good trumpet player.
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Dan in Sydney · Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:44 pm Post subject:

After spending time in the demo rooms at any ITG conference, you'd think it was THE most important aspect of being a good player....go figure...
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At which note then would you draw the final line: high G?

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EdMann · Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:19 pm Post subject:

Hell, even I played a dbl C once, or twice, or who cares? I'd challenge you to find anyone besides trumpet players who care a whit about a particular note. I've done casuals where, for some rare reason, I played crazy high, and the only one who cared was their dog.

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lipshurt · Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:58 pm Post subject:

Chuck Findlay has some pretty good double C range notes on lots of very famous recordings.

Miles Davis goes pretty easy up to high A on '64 funny valentine, and easy up B natural on a captured radio broadcast that was released.

dizzy Gillespie tears it up effortless to Bb in the 1958-59 era

Wait... who gives a s&&%
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razeontherock · Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:47 pm Post subject:

I would be very surprised if the Condoli Bro who played first didn't have a DHC.

Why comment negatively on the content of a thread? If it doesn't interest you, why even read it? It asks a simple question. No need for all the negativity!

Working through transcriptions of Dizzy's solos, I'm amazed at how NOT high they are. He made it sound like he was playing much higher. The highest he recorded was a Bb?

What about Roy Eldridge? I've listened to him in some "cutting sessions," and I don't think he made it to DHC.