is the internet a countertrend?

chuck in ny · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:26 am Post subject: is the internet a countertrend?

right now we are in what can charitably be described as a bind, and what we can expect from future pension payments, social security, medicare, and so forth is up in the air. not everyone will be happy and we will see who gets the haircut.
in a situation of contraction we can't expect much from schools and sports programs and music are particularly vulnerable.
is the internet a huge buffer to this trend, with any enthusiast able to get instruction in guitar, keyboard, and in our case, brass?
you won't get experience with the band dynamic, still, something beats nothing whilst waiting for our woes to subside. on that subject, these matters move slowly enough that a student in grade school can be through college going the way through the recovery cycle. insofar as them describing this time as 'the recovery', that information is for trusting souls as a cursory examination would reveal that we have only dug ourselves in deeper. as to wilful avoidance of fundamentals, try that on your trumpet for a while.

Andy Del · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:32 pm Post subject:

No. While many of the benefits of learning a musical instrument are inherent in the practice young music, there are other extremely important social and cognitive skills which are enhanced to a high degree by participation in a music ensemble.

Sitting I a commuter bus o King St Newtown is not te place to wax in about this, there are a number of srcesmcresources out ther to research this.

Bottom line. FIGHT for your music programs, fight the nincompoops who think it good and proper to remove the subjects which are essential to the human condition .

The internet is not the place to learn to play in isolation. It can be a great additional tool, if used thoughtfully...

Cheers

Andy
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Craig Swartz · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:30 pm Post subject:

I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about, Chuck, er, chuck- economic or educational "bind"? If it has to do with American public education, I'd me most concerned with the English, Math and Science programs before the musical ones, such as they've become. In the large district I spent my last 30 years teaching, the students were not doing well at all in either reading, writing cogent sentences with proper capitalization and grammar (!!!!) nor demonstrating much of a sense of original or critical thinking. They were pretty damn fine at surfing the web on the school-provided laptops, though.

If you're wondering about either learning or supplementing learning via Skype, Smart Music or other internet learning programs- sure- nbd, but for most students: If they do not have some sort of practical place to put their skills to "work" (band, orchestra, ensemble of some type, especially early-on), they won't stick with it. Even the internet guitar player usually seeks out some sort of garage band.

I'd love to go into the economic part but it would get this pulled in 2 posts due to the political nature of the subject to many, even though the "laws of economics", in and of themselves, have really changed little from the days of Abraham and before. And to continue my editorial commenting, I can attest that it is not due to a lack of money being thrown at it that American public ed is failing. Nor the American economy, either...

chuck in ny · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:54 pm Post subject:

cjl · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:39 pm Post subject:

1jazzyalex · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:47 pm Post subject:

RussellDDixon · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:43 pm Post subject:

We are definitely seeing some counter trending tendencies crushing those nasty paradigms of yesteryear.
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RandyTX · Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:51 am Post subject:

If one examines dialectic discourse, one is faced with a choice: either reject social realism or conclude that culture is used to reinforce capitalism. Therefore, logic suggests that we have to choose between dialectic discourse and Sartreist absurdity. Similarly, either accept modern objectivism or conclude that art is capable of significance, but only if language is interchangeable with art; otherwise, Bataille’s model of social realism is one of 'Sartreist existentialism' and thus meaningless.

The characteristic theme of many essays on modern objectivism is also their fatal flaw, and eventually point to the futility of cultural society. It could be said that the premise of subsemantic textual theory holds that culture serves to oppress the Other.

Sontag uses the term 'social realism' to denote a predialectic whole. Therefore, modern objectivism implies that the significance of the reader is deconstruction, given that the premise of social realism is valid. Sartre promotes the use of dialectic discourse to challenge class divisions. Thus, if the cultural paradigm of expression holds, we have to choose between dialectic discourse and postdeconstructive Marxism.

Many deconstructions concerning not discourse, but neodiscourse may be revealed. However, modern objectivism suggests that art has objective value.
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