Couldn't you recreate the PETE easily, cheaper?

[Benge.nut]

It's a futile argument. If you think it works, it will work, if you don't, it won't.

Like the Moon Landing, or a Flat Earth. People are gonna believe what they want to believe.

[Winghorn]

Benge.nut-

Nail right on the head.

Steve

[furcifer]

Getting back to the OP's question, no, you can't make something else and get the "same" results. You can, however, make something similar and get similar results.

As for the results themselves, there are many paths to the same destination - but some may get you there quicker and help you stay longer. Yes, a lot of great players became great players on mediocre equipment, but that's more of a testament to their dedication and talent. Given the choice, they would have chosen nicer equipment, every time.

If you believe that what Terry has come up with in terms of research on the optimal dimensions, and you believe your embouchure type to be one that would benefit from that, then it's still "easier" for a lot of people to come up with 40 bucks than to try to hack out "something similar" in their garage. Some people respect the man and his work, and wish to support the product and reward the method and the man.

If one chooses to discount the testimonials from pros who find it a beneficial addition to their routine, to include Wayne Downey, who's Xtreme Brass yoga method goes hand-in-hand with it, helping to optimize the development of countless high-brass players for Drum Corps for over 40 years, that's fine, but none of the arguments I've heard thus far can logically explain away the sheer volume of reported positive results and testimonials - and most certainly not my own.

Yeah, it's true that Wayne Bergeron didn't get his Double C at 12yrs old because of his PETE. No, he talks about how his success TODAY finds him spending a lot of time on airplanes when he'd rather be practicing, so he uses his PETE to help maintain what he has with a difficult travel schedule. But to know that, you'd have to listen to the cat talk about it, right?

If all you're thinking about is the disc end, you're missing half of it, which tells me you haven't downloaded, read and seriously considered the directions on the Warburton site. There's another thread here where I helped a guy better understand the exercise to do with the concave end, and now he's loving it. So am I. I find both exercises to be complimentary and equally beneficial.

I just got off a pretty heavy gig today. We've got 4 guys that can play lead and 3 of the 4 love their PETE. 4th guy didn't show up today, so we all pulled an extra chart or two on lead, and one extra solo. I've been out of town on travel for two weeks and couldn't really put the time in on the horn that I would have liked - but thankfully, I had my PETE with me the whole time. (It's gold-plated, so I will NOT lose it!) Saved my ass today, and that makes it all worth it to me!
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[Winghorn]

Thanks for the post, furcifer.

I did not know Wayne Bergeron routinely uses a PETE. He never mentions using one in his clinics on YouTube.

I know many players endorse something but seldom or ever use it.

I remember hearing Mark Gould perform at an educator's concert a number of years back. At the time, Yamaha was running full page ads of Mark endorsing Yamaha trumpets.

What did he play at the concert? A Bach Strad. I know because I sat next to him in the audience as he was waiting for his turn to play.

I am willing to keep an open mind about trumpet practice aids, but I think a healthy skepticism is important in today's profit driven economy.

Based on my own experience and the advice of teachers and players I respect, I cannot in good conscience recommend a $40 pencil-type exerciser to young player. If that means his equipment inventory remains mediocre, so be it. He can still practice the material his teacher assigns on his instrument without distraction.

Tell you what, if you can convince me Doc truly uses a PETE and finds it beneficial, put me down for a dozen!

Steve

[GeorgeB]

In my opinion, and for me, the best exercise instrument I have is any one of the 3 trumpets I own and play...and play...and play ! But if others feel something else helps them, then go for it.
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[homebilly]

the guys on kenton's band used it

even Peter Erskine !!!

PETE is a four letter word after all ........
from my drum corps days with the stockton commodores in 1976

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=62&v=TmLlRh3Days
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[Craig Swartz]

$40 is cheaper than a good, serious mouthpiece, even a lot of knock-offs.

So- why don't you make up something, figure out how to mass produce it, then try to package, market/advertise it, ship it, handle all of the questions and hacked off people who probably never bothered to read the instructions, etc, etc. oh, and if it looks a lot like a P.E.T.E, pay some lawyers for the inevitable infringement suit(s) that follow. You may find that $40 is a bargain. (And I was assuming you were the only one making your contraption, otherwise you'd have to figure in payroll, taxes, on and on.) But when you make it, bring it around here and see how you do. Good luck.

[halfgreek12]

A pencil and a button/string or cufflink.

[Winghorn]

Lawyers need love too...

[chuck in ny]

the easiest thing to do with trumpet playing is to mess up and we have all done it.
using the PETE device is similar to the regular run of playing. you can overdo things very easily. when i started PETE exercise i was already filled with terror and understood that it would be easy to faithfully follow the manufacturer's directions, and overwork. i wouldn't doubt that most unsuccessful experiences with the PETE are caused by excess strain.
i only exercise for a couple of minutes in the morning with the PETE and could easily do double or triple the work. i figure that even mild use is going to enhance playing, and it does. there are years ahead where more work can be piled on. right now i am working on endurance and my chops are always on the edge and don't need something to push them over that edge.
you have to be your own doctor with the trumpet and be able to gauge what you are able to handle. after years of having no sense whatsoever i now have a reliable inner feeling on how to proceed.
this very mild use gave more endurance right from the get go. you don't have to take the factory instructions literally and can use the device in any way that will benefit you most. although it is a very brutal game with the horn the operative principle is play, and not work.

[razeontherock]

[razeontherock]

[Lionel]

[homebilly]

I guess I just don't want to she'll out $40 bucks and not like it!

I suppose it was how I got around to making a Renuzit practice mute
after having spent countless $40s on practice mutes that didn't work for me.

I LOVE my Renuzits!

maybe I'll find a solution that I like and have fun along the way

after all trumpeting is an adventure.........right?

ron
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[Winghorn]

razeontherock-

You post demonstates the concept of balance in everything we do.

This balance is something I don't always maintain.

Thanks for the reminder.

Steve

[Robert P]

[Winghorn]

From his clinics, it appears that Doc finds value in mouthpiece buzzing, as do many other fine players and teachers

Steve

[comebackcornet]

[Benge.nut]

P.E.T.E, mouthpiece buzzimg, leadpipe buzzing, free buzzing, pedal tones, pencil exercise etc etc

If you BELIEVE it works for you, it will. If you don't believe, it won't.

Like the Moon Landing, Flat Earth, Climate Change, JFK, 9/11 etc. no much how much proof or how much one believes, there is always an equal number of people that disbelieve. And neither side will budge on there beliefs and arguments are futile and moot.

So don't try changing other people's mind's to maybe justify your own beliefs. If you like it, use it. If you don't...don't. If you wanna make your own, go for it.

But those of you that need some sort of affirmation from others are just wasting your time. If you're finding success, who cares what other people think?

[Hack001]

Yes absolutely. Please refrain from any discussion or discourse on a forum. This is not the place.
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