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Winghorn
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Of course you should follow the advice of your teacher. I am glad your PETE is of benefit to you.
My opinions, too, are based on the advice of teachers and players I have known through the years.
I am curious, though, why you think Wayne Bergeron would not mention the use of a PETE in his clinics or master classes if he felt it was useful.
Master classes are where artist's usually share their "inside tips" and personal practice methods that may help students and may not be generally known.
Why else have a clinic?
Can you point me toward the recording of Faddis explaining how he uses his PETE?
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snichols
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| Benge.nut wrote: |
If you like it, use it. If you don't...don't. If you wanna make your own, go for it. |
Absolutely.
| Quote: | If you BELIEVE it works for you, it will. If you don't believe, it won't.
Like the Moon Landing, Flat Earth, Climate Change, JFK, 9/11 etc. no much how much proof or how much one believes, there is always an equal number of people that disbelieve. And neither side will budge on there beliefs and arguments are futile and moot.
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.... Not quite with you here... I'm all for advocating that people do what they like to do and not to do what they don't like to do, but that doesn't mean that they are correct about the merits of those things. You're starting to mix verifiable facts with opinions. We know that the Earth is round and that we landed on the moon, etc. and just because there are a vocal few who say otherwise, doesn't mean that those facts are up for debate. At a certain point, a person's "belief" is irrelevant when it's stacked up against facts.
Similarly, with trumpet, I can believe all I want that eating cheeseburgers is the secret to being a great trumpeter and that I don't have waste my time practicing, but I think we all know that isn't true. By the same token I can not believe in the foolish venture of practicing scales, but whether I believe in it or not, practicing them is going to make me a better player. Sure, some things may have a certain level of placebo effect , and rely on the user's belief (some might argue that things like Tweekers and valve alignments are examples of this), but I don't think physical drills like buzzing and pedal tones fit into that category. |
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cheiden
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| homebilly wrote: | the guys on kenton's band used it
even Peter Erskine !!! |
I suppose he could use it to hit a triangle.
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dstdenis
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I can understand getting cross-training strength benefits from using the PETE. My biggest concern, though, is that strength isn't the only goal for me. I also need to maintain flexibility and responsiveness—really, those are even more important for me.
So if I started doing PETE, I'd want to be careful to avoid getting worn out, as others have mentioned, but also to avoid stiffness and loss of flexibility and responsiveness. I suppose the answer is to start easy and increase the load very gradually.
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John Mohan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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$65.97 for eight of them at Summit Racing. Keep one and sell the others to seven other gullible trumpet players.
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Benge.nut
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Benge.nut
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Also here's the infamous Kurt Thompson endorsing the P.E.T.E and showing off how he incorporates into his fantastic trumpet playing:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJ9JICTebg
If you got Kurt's endorsement, what more do you need?!?! |
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John Mohan
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Here's an even better demonstration of the product (the link is cued to the spot where the exercising is about to begin, complete with dramatic background music).
https://youtu.be/etU_wtP5Pck?t=1m2s |
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Benge.nut
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| John Mohan wrote: |
Here's an even better demonstration of the product (the link is cued to the spot where the exercising is about to begin, complete with dramatic background music).
https://youtu.be/etU_wtP5Pck?t=1m2s |
omg her face....around 2:16 or so...that's when she hit double C nirvana |
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Benge.nut
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Winghorn
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To be fair, I don't think we should disparage or dismiss products like the PETE just because some wacky players may use or endorse them on YouTube, or because of YouTube ads for what appear to be questionable devices for facial toning and the like.
My own skepticism of the PETE as a valuable aid to trumpet development comes solely from my own experience with the device, and from what I was taught, or may had read, over the years.
Apparently, some posters have found some benefit to using the PETE and one has stated that Jon Faddis has made a recording of himself using and explaining the device.
And it has, admittedly, been endorsed by some well-known professionals- at least for advertising purposes.
So while I personally would not buy one, I find myself backing away from my earlier, somewhat presumptous statements that the PETE is of no benefit to anyone.
That being said, I did find the YouTube clips hilarious and hope that both the proponents and detractors of the PETE can enjoy them without the creation of any ill will.
Sincerely,
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Robert P
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Lol.
Of course he couldn't be any more full of shint regarding the bulging lips demonstrating a developed orbicularis oris - an elementary school first week player's lips will bulge like that too.
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homebilly
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i'm going to buy the 8 pack
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Benge.nut
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| homebilly wrote: | | i'm going to buy the 8 pack |
An 8 pack of craft beer might be a better investment for you and your trumpet playing buddies |
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homebilly
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Craig Swartz
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| John Mohan wrote: |
$65.97 for eight of them at Summit Racing. Keep one and sell the others to seven other gullible trumpet players.
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We need more info, John: Are these intake or exhaust? Are they compatible with any bore/stroke? Will using straight alcohol burn them right up? (I do some commercial playing) |
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trumpet_bob_silver
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Forgot about this question. Interesting comments.
I just don't see the point of a metal one.
I'm thinking more like flexible clear tubing of various sizes. But then how would you attach something on the end if you wanted a "pull" aspect to it too?
I've done the button on a string thing and the pencil. The tube idea I'm thinking of is from practicing clarinet a bit. I noticed that helped my embouchure, the cross training idea.
A really easy, cheap idea (though 'dangerous' one for germs) -- Use your fingers.
I think I'm thinking of just activating the muscles or lightly moving them. Not so much using them with resistance to the point they wear out.
And no, I didn't study out the PETE. I just saw the machined metal thing and thought it was the pencil idea.
I did get some of these chopsticks things that I'd forgotten about.
http://www.hickeys.com/music/brass/horn/accessories/other_horn_accessories/products/sku051354-chopsticks-advanced-embouchure-strengthening-system.php |
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homebilly
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I made mine over the weekend and am calling it
J.P.M.F
just pull my finger .......
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John Mohan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| Craig Swartz wrote: | | John Mohan wrote: |
$65.97 for eight of them at Summit Racing. Keep one and sell the others to seven other gullible trumpet players.
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We need more info, John: Are these intake or exhaust? |
The can be either - it just depends on which end you insert them in.
| Craig Swartz wrote: | | Are they compatible with any bore/stroke? |
Pretty much. The bore and stroke tend to adjust themselves as needed.
| Craig Swartz wrote: | | Will using straight alcohol burn them right up? (I do some commercial playing) |
No but straight alcohol will definitely burn.
On a related side note, never, ever, ever ask Ron Meza why one should wrap a mouse in duct tape. |
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ATrumpetBrony
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I made a PETE once using a Norwegian coin (hole through it) and a paperclip.
Worked *decently* well, but I can't say it worked as well as my PETE. Glad I got it
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