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Rod Haney Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:50 pm Post subject: Which teacher placed greatest emphasis on appeture control |
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In controlling attack and range, or in overall playing. If as most they spread the emphasis around, who do you feel were most effective in strengthening embouchere?
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rufflicks Heavyweight Member
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trumpet56 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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I would put my money on Carmine Caruso. |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:28 am Post subject: |
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trumpet56 wrote: | I would put my money on Carmine Caruso. |
Carmine never mentioned either aperture or control. In fact, he often stated that we should not consciously manipulate the embouchure. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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dstdenis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:39 am Post subject: |
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For aperture control, books like Shuebruk Lip Trainers, John Daniel Special Studies for Trumpet, and Franquin Complete Method have great exercises to develop flexibility, responsiveness, strength and control. They each have their own way of describing it in their notes and usually don't even mention "aperture control," but that's one thing that these exercises develop.
Strengthening the embouchure is just one aspect of this work. There are other ways to focus more intensely on strengthening the embouchure, for example, lip flexibility exercises (Irons, Bai Lin, Colin...) and melodic etudes (Brandt, Arban Characteristic Studies, Werner, Wurm...). _________________ Bb Yamaha Xeno 8335IIS
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homecookin Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Schlossberg !!!
Be sure to do the mouthpiece buzzing in the first part
of the book and be sure to follow the dynamic markings
on the exercises.
Take it easy and rest often. |
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JoseLindE4 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:54 am Post subject: |
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PH wrote: | trumpet56 wrote: | I would put my money on Carmine Caruso. |
Carmine never mentioned either aperture or control. In fact, he often stated that we should not consciously manipulate the embouchure. |
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but using Caruso primarily to increase embouchure strength misses the brilliance of the approach. |
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Don Herman rev2 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:51 am Post subject: |
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IMO focusing on "embouchure strength" is the wrong mindset and too general a term. Pretty much anybody has more than enough "strength"; what is lacking is control, breath support, and a musical mindset (song and wind). And most any teacher or method can help you increase endurance, attacks, range, etc. that will all build "embouchure strength". _________________ "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley |
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Turkle Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:56 am Post subject: |
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homecookin wrote: | Schlossberg !!!
Be sure to do the mouthpiece buzzing in the first part
of the book and be sure to follow the dynamic markings
on the exercises.
Take it easy and rest often. |
+1. Daily work out of Schlossberg was the single most transformative decision of my trumpet playing life. Strong, focused, and flexible chops, it's all in there! _________________ Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
Yamaha 8310Z flugel
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homecookin Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Don Herman rev2 wrote: | IMO focusing on "embouchure strength" is the wrong mindset and too general a term. Pretty much anybody has more than enough "strength"; what is lacking is control, breath support, and a musical mindset (song and wind). And most any teacher or method can help you increase endurance, attacks, range, etc. that will all build "embouchure strength". |
THIS !!!
AND...THIS AGAIN. |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:49 am Post subject: |
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JoseLindE4 wrote: | PH wrote: | trumpet56 wrote: | I would put my money on Carmine Caruso. |
Carmine never mentioned either aperture or control. In fact, he often stated that we should not consciously manipulate the embouchure. |
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but using Caruso primarily to increase embouchure strength misses the brilliance of the approach. |
Yes! It completely destroys and undermines the approach. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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JVL Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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hello
i'll not use "greatest", but Bobby Shew talks and teach a lot about it, being one of his fundamentals
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