Wick F and FL

Dieter Z · Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:10 pm Post subject: Wick F and FL

I recently got a ACB doubler Flugel.

According to the Denis Wick website it needs the 'large morse' FL version from DW.

I only have a Denis Wick 4 F which goes almost all the way into the leadpipe.

What benefit or difference would I experience if I had and FL version and the mouthpiece would only go into the leadpipe half the way?
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ChopsGone · Heavyweight Member Joined: 20 Dec 2008 Posts: 1793

You'd have the correct taper for your horn. Other than that, probably not much noticeable difference since the tuning bit has more than enough travel for the horn to be tuned with either mouthpiece. Flugelhorns don't typically have a gap situation to be addressed, so just getting to the correct overall length to be in tune is the big deal.
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Dieter Z · Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:57 pm Post subject:

So I should be fine
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ACB mouthpieces for most of my playing

cheiden · Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:47 pm Post subject:

I've known folks that simply put tape on their small shanks to make them fit better in their large shank horns. I'd try that to start and see if you feel it plays any differently.

Personally, I hate using the wrong shank on any horn and always feel they play better with a properly fit piece.
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GordonH · Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:02 am Post subject:

I know a pro who uses a Bach flugel mouthpiece on a Yamaha, pushed all the way in. I know another pro who uses a Bach cornet mouthpiece on an Olds Recording cornet that has the longer shank. Plumbers PTFE tape might help.
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Dieter Z · Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:46 pm Post subject:

Ho Gordon;

I put a piece of paper around the shank to adjust the taper.

Not sure if there was a difference.

If there was a difference, the altered mouthpiece may responded a little easier, but then that probably was just a PLACEBO effect, because the correct taper HAST TO BE better.

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Buescher 400 - 225 (WWII)
Benge 90C
Eastman 540 D/Eb
ACB Fluegelhorn
Selmer Picc
ACB mouthpieces for most of my playing

ChopsGone · Heavyweight Member Joined: 20 Dec 2008 Posts: 1793

The taper's the same, but the dimensions are not. The Morse taper specification covers the taper (for our purposes, think of it as being about 5/8" per foot of length). It's quite possible to produce both the Small Morse Taper ("Bach", DAMFINO why) and Large Morse Taper ("Yamaha", equally inexplicable) from the same reamer, just using different sections of that reamer. One of these days, I'll photograph my set of Morse taper pin reamers and post it here. Morse is just one of many taper specifications (Brown & Sharpe is another).
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