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BBB1976
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 3:15 am    Post subject: High Notes Reply with quote

High notes are faster air!
Best wishes.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How fast exactly?
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally it's all cleared up!!

All these decades of confusion, obsessions, countless method books, lessons, clinics and explanations....it could've been explained with a bumper sticker!!!

Thanks!!
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 7:20 am    Post subject: High Notes Reply with quote

Oh dear! Well, it was a quote by Allen Vizzutti!
Am sincerely really sorry that some people are confused!
High notes are produced by faster air. Indeed, they are inevitable if you practice daily and develop a good routine. Indeed, its HOW you approach them!
Best wishes and sincerely very sorry for the frustrations people are having re: these pesky notes.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, I have no confusion. My sarcasm was just a humorous attempt to say..."it ain't that simple!!" As we all know.

How one gets that faster air is the issue. Some people think more wind power, some think more compression. Many achieve the "faster air" through tongue manipulation of the air stream, some get the faster air stream through lip to lip compression, some tank up and use huge gulps and volumes of air.

Lots of ways to skin a cat
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 8:38 am    Post subject: High Notes Reply with quote

Yea sure....yes I agree there are lots of ways to skin a cat.
Also, everything for sure needs to be working together in order to have the "knack"
for the notes.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: High Notes Reply with quote

BBB1976 wrote:
Yea sure....yes I agree there are lots of ways to skin a cat.
Also, everything for sure needs to be working together in order to have the "knack"
for the notes.
Best wishes.


Totally agree that the "knack" is the main issue. Strength, musculature and vast lung power have little to do with playing high notes in my experience.

Since I've learned the feel and knack, I never do any real practicing anymore beyond working on music. No "range extender or strengthening " stuff. Since I know where the notes sit I can go for long extended time with out playing a note over high C and when I need more, after a little mental refresher and playing a few scales, it's all right where I left it.

Muscle memory is the issue and muscle strengthening
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also don't believe any method book or teacher or system can make a player achieve those goals in developing higher or extreme range. I think it comes from trial and error on what works for each person.

For me it was like a bolt of lightning one day, and I just figured out with a little chop movement and tongue position how to get past my unpassable wall of a high F-G that I had since high school. And once I discovered the change, I never lost it.

Even after a year and a half break from trumpet when I was considering a different career. When I came back to the horn, I had to rebuild some endurance (which took a couple weeks) but every high note I ever learned to play was right where I left them.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: High Notes Reply with quote

BBB1976 wrote:
Oh dear! Well, it was a quote by Allen Vizzutti!
Am sincerely really sorry that some people are confused!
High notes are produced by faster air. Indeed, they are inevitable if you practice daily and develop a good routine. Indeed, its HOW you approach them!
Best wishes and sincerely very sorry for the frustrations people are having re: these pesky notes.


I don't think anyone was especially confused, maybe just a bit put off by a one sentence haiku-like simplification. We've seen more than a little of that type of thing here lately, speaking only for myself, I find it annoying....whether I agree with the statement or not.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate all haikus

I will not participate.

Wait. God damnit all.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer is here

High notes are from faster air

Now there's no question
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
How one gets that faster air is the issue.


There is only one way.

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Some people think more wind power, some think more compression.

If you mean air pressure by blowing effort, there is no difference between those. If you mean air "power" literally it is pressure x flow.

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Many achieve the "faster air" through tongue manipulation of the air stream,

Tongue manipulations do not increase the air velocity through the lip aperture, nor does it increase the air pressure bearing upon the aperture.

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some get the faster air stream through lip to lip compression,

This only reduces the flow. The speed is not determined by the aperture size.

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some tank up and use huge gulps and volumes of air.

This may allow more elastic pressure contribution. But its still pressure, as controlled by the player.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kalijah wrote:
How fast exactly?


440 cycles per second for a concert A in the staff. Twice that for an octave higher. The trick is how to get the air to cycle at all. Some prefer to start it on a tricycle.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cycles per second is frequency, not speed.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here I sit broken hearted
came to screech but only farted
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

homebilly wrote:
here I sit broken hearted
came to screech but only farted


That's the start of a limerick....not a haiku!!!
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here I sit broken

hearted I came to skareech

but only farted
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: High Notes Reply with quote

BBB1976 wrote:
High notes are faster air!
Best wishes.


If it was that simple there would be no need for psychiatrists. It's trumpet players trying (without success) to play high notes that keep psychiatrists in business.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benge.nut wrote:
homebilly wrote:
here I sit broken hearted
came to screech but only farted


That's the start of a limerick....not a haiku!!!


There once was a haiku-writer from Nantucket....

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: High Notes Reply with quote

BBB1976 wrote:
High notes are faster air!
Best wishes.


That's like saying "Sprints are faster moving legs"

Ohhhh...super helpful
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