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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:51 pm    Post subject: Playing with dry chops v. moist chops Reply with quote

Hey all,

I am a college player going through embouchure changes and the like (as now seems the best time to sort that stuff out); is there any objective way of knowing whether playing with dry chops gives better response, etc. while moist cops allows for better flexibility, and endurance?

Just trying to filter out some of the hogwash.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Playing with dry chops v. moist chops Reply with quote

Slainted wrote:

Just trying to filter out some of the hogwash.


Boy, are you on the wrong website.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It depends."

Seriously, it's a personal thing. I can't play with dry chops. I know people who can't play with wet chops. So the answer is "whatever works best for you."
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott42486 wrote:
"It depends."

Seriously, it's a personal thing. I can't play with dry chops. I know people who can't play with wet chops. So the answer is "whatever works best for you."


Very true. I'm one who can't play with wet lips.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:53 am    Post subject: Re: Playing with dry chops v. moist chops Reply with quote

Turkle wrote:
Slainted wrote:

Just trying to filter out some of the hogwash.


Boy, are you on the wrong website.



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most professional players play with moist lips. The amount of moisture will vary from person to person, of course. Phil Farkas estimated that at least 75 percent of the professionals that he interacted with used moist chops.

There are certainly very fine players that play with a dry set, but they are in the minority.

If you were my student, I would recommend learning with a wet set.

Best of luck!!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to also add that I think using a wet set is particularly important when trying to work through setup issues. It's easier to allow the placement of the mouthpiece to adjust naturally to your physiology when using a wet set.

Have fun!!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In "Systematic Approach to Daily Practice" Claude Gordon wrote:
As the lip tightens and relaxes causing movement under the mouthpiece, it is absolutely necessary to moisten the lips.


In my experience that is correct.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GeorgeB wrote:
Scott42486 wrote:
"It depends."

Seriously, it's a personal thing. I can't play with dry chops. I know people who can't play with wet chops. So the answer is "whatever works best for you."


Very true. I'm one who can't play with wet lips.


Hi George,

Can you slur chromatically from F# below low C to F# above high C? I'm not asking to be a jerk, I'm just curious if this is possible with a dry embouchure.

Best wishes,

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ability to do that isn't determined by wet vs. dry....
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Mohan wrote:
GeorgeB wrote:
Scott42486 wrote:
"It depends."

Seriously, it's a personal thing. I can't play with dry chops. I know people who can't play with wet chops. So the answer is "whatever works best for you."


Very true. I'm one who can't play with wet lips.


Hi George,

Can you slur chromatically from F# below low C to F# above high C? I'm not asking to be a jerk, I'm just curious if this is possible with a dry embouchure.

Best wishes,

John


I play bone-dry and I can get from low F# all the way up to E above high C. Part of my daily practice routine. I don't really play much higher than that on a regular basis. I can't play with a wet setup to save my life. You get used to it - my flexibility all over the horn is great. FYI I play a Curry 3. rim on all my horns.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are advantages to both, but ... try playing outdoors in high humidity in a tent with dry chops. VERY hard to maintain.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Mohan wrote:
GeorgeB wrote:
Scott42486 wrote:
"It depends."

Seriously, it's a personal thing. I can't play with dry chops. I know people who can't play with wet chops. So the answer is "whatever works best for you."


Very true. I'm one who can't play with wet lips.


Hi George,

Can you slur chromatically from F# below low C to F# above high C? I'm not asking to be a jerk, I'm just curious if this is possible with a dry embouchure.

Best wishes,

John


Hi, John. To answer you question, No, not chromatically, However I do various lip slur exercises that range from F# below the staff to high C. My playing comfort level is A above the staff. I have been playing for 14 months after a 50 year hiatus ( I played during the 50s and 60s ) and I am 81.

Perhaps I should have clarified my reply to the OP. I can play with wet lips but I find it produces a spitty sounding tone, so I find myself constantly drying my lips every chance I get when playing. My tone is much cleaner when the lips are dry. I do, however, wet ( lick ) the mouthpiece a little when setting.

I understand why you ask the question, John, because I understand the majority of high range players play with wet lips. And I certainly do not think you are being a jerk. I always read your posts and have a great deal of respect for you.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I played with dry lips for several years. Couldn't make a note with wet lips. Then I decided to try wet lip playing. It seems to work for me. Been at it for about 1.5 years now with wet lips on M/P.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I can't play with dry chops, I find my lips start to swell and I lose all endurance so I always play with moist chops.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd call what I do "damp chops" certainly not bone-try but not what I'd call wet...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find that if I play with wet lips that I wind up getting excess spit in the mouthpiece cup which makes for a very pretty garbled sound.
Although I had a colleague that was fascinated and did 6 months with bone dry lips and then 6 months with wet lips.
I think the conclusion was that he couldn't notice a difference really between the two after he got used to one or the other.
So whichever feels better on your face should be the one you choose I suppose?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

deanoaks wrote:
I find that if I play with wet lips that I wind up getting excess spit in the mouthpiece cup which makes for a very pretty garbled sound.


That is my problem, too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I play on a wet setup. Sometimes, when there are a few single notes around high C, I tend to place on a dry top lip. I think that gives me some secure on this attacks.

I noticed, that dry players have more often a durable mark on the top lip then wet players.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

deanoaks wrote:

Although I had a colleague that was fascinated and did 6 months with bone dry lips and then 6 months with wet lips.
I think the conclusion was that he couldn't notice a difference really between the two after he got used to one or the other.
So whichever feels better on your face should be the one you choose I suppose?


Leaves me curious as to what he settled on?
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