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Slainted New Member
Joined: 15 Jun 2017 Posts: 5 Location: Allen, TX
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:51 pm Post subject: Playing with dry chops v. moist chops |
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Hey all,
I am a college player going through embouchure changes and the like (as now seems the best time to sort that stuff out); is there any objective way of knowing whether playing with dry chops gives better response, etc. while moist cops allows for better flexibility, and endurance?
Just trying to filter out some of the hogwash.
John _________________ Life takes guts. |
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Turkle Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Posts: 2450 Location: New York City
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Playing with dry chops v. moist chops |
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Slainted wrote: |
Just trying to filter out some of the hogwash.
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Boy, are you on the wrong website. _________________ Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
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Scott42486 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 529 Location: San Antonio, Texas
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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"It depends."
Seriously, it's a personal thing. I can't play with dry chops. I know people who can't play with wet chops. So the answer is "whatever works best for you." _________________ Bach/Kanstul Frankenhorn
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GeorgeB Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Apr 2016 Posts: 1063 Location: New Glasgow, Nova Scotia
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Scott42486 wrote: | "It depends."
Seriously, it's a personal thing. I can't play with dry chops. I know people who can't play with wet chops. So the answer is "whatever works best for you." |
Very true. I'm one who can't play with wet lips. _________________ GeorgeB
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bach_again Heavyweight Member
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Dave CCM/SSO Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jan 2015 Posts: 145 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Most professional players play with moist lips. The amount of moisture will vary from person to person, of course. Phil Farkas estimated that at least 75 percent of the professionals that he interacted with used moist chops.
There are certainly very fine players that play with a dry set, but they are in the minority.
If you were my student, I would recommend learning with a wet set.
Best of luck!!
Dave _________________ Dave
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Dave CCM/SSO Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jan 2015 Posts: 145 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:36 am Post subject: |
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I'd like to also add that I think using a wet set is particularly important when trying to work through setup issues. It's easier to allow the placement of the mouthpiece to adjust naturally to your physiology when using a wet set.
Have fun!!
Dave _________________ Dave
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 9830 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:07 am Post subject: |
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In "Systematic Approach to Daily Practice" Claude Gordon wrote: | As the lip tightens and relaxes causing movement under the mouthpiece, it is absolutely necessary to moisten the lips. |
In my experience that is correct.
Best wishes,
John Mohan _________________ Trumpet Player, Clinician & Teacher
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 9830 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:10 am Post subject: |
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GeorgeB wrote: | Scott42486 wrote: | "It depends."
Seriously, it's a personal thing. I can't play with dry chops. I know people who can't play with wet chops. So the answer is "whatever works best for you." |
Very true. I'm one who can't play with wet lips. |
Hi George,
Can you slur chromatically from F# below low C to F# above high C? I'm not asking to be a jerk, I'm just curious if this is possible with a dry embouchure.
Best wishes,
John |
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Bill Ortiz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:31 am Post subject: |
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The ability to do that isn't determined by wet vs. dry.... _________________ '56 Martin Committee Deluxe #2 trumpet
14B Schilke mouthpiece
Couesnon Paris flugelhorn
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Turkle Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Posts: 2450 Location: New York City
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:26 am Post subject: |
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John Mohan wrote: | GeorgeB wrote: | Scott42486 wrote: | "It depends."
Seriously, it's a personal thing. I can't play with dry chops. I know people who can't play with wet chops. So the answer is "whatever works best for you." |
Very true. I'm one who can't play with wet lips. |
Hi George,
Can you slur chromatically from F# below low C to F# above high C? I'm not asking to be a jerk, I'm just curious if this is possible with a dry embouchure.
Best wishes,
John |
I play bone-dry and I can get from low F# all the way up to E above high C. Part of my daily practice routine. I don't really play much higher than that on a regular basis. I can't play with a wet setup to save my life. You get used to it - my flexibility all over the horn is great. FYI I play a Curry 3. rim on all my horns. _________________ Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
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dershem Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 1887 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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There are advantages to both, but ... try playing outdoors in high humidity in a tent with dry chops. VERY hard to maintain. |
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GeorgeB Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Apr 2016 Posts: 1063 Location: New Glasgow, Nova Scotia
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:33 am Post subject: |
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John Mohan wrote: | GeorgeB wrote: | Scott42486 wrote: | "It depends."
Seriously, it's a personal thing. I can't play with dry chops. I know people who can't play with wet chops. So the answer is "whatever works best for you." |
Very true. I'm one who can't play with wet lips. |
Hi George,
Can you slur chromatically from F# below low C to F# above high C? I'm not asking to be a jerk, I'm just curious if this is possible with a dry embouchure.
Best wishes,
John |
Hi, John. To answer you question, No, not chromatically, However I do various lip slur exercises that range from F# below the staff to high C. My playing comfort level is A above the staff. I have been playing for 14 months after a 50 year hiatus ( I played during the 50s and 60s ) and I am 81.
Perhaps I should have clarified my reply to the OP. I can play with wet lips but I find it produces a spitty sounding tone, so I find myself constantly drying my lips every chance I get when playing. My tone is much cleaner when the lips are dry. I do, however, wet ( lick ) the mouthpiece a little when setting.
I understand why you ask the question, John, because I understand the majority of high range players play with wet lips. And I certainly do not think you are being a jerk. I always read your posts and have a great deal of respect for you. _________________ GeorgeB
1960s King Super 20 Silversonic
2016 Manchester Brass Custom
1938-39 Olds Recording
1942 Buescher 400 Bb trumpet
1952 Selmer Paris 21 B
1999 Conn Vintage One B flat trumpet
2020 Getzen 490 Bb
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Harrys Regular Member
Joined: 15 Feb 2012 Posts: 24
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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I played with dry lips for several years. Couldn't make a note with wet lips. Then I decided to try wet lip playing. It seems to work for me. Been at it for about 1.5 years now with wet lips on M/P. |
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Louie2802 New Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:19 am Post subject: |
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Personally I can't play with dry chops, I find my lips start to swell and I lose all endurance so I always play with moist chops. |
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1jazzyalex Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Jun 2016 Posts: 569 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:59 am Post subject: |
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I'd call what I do "damp chops" certainly not bone-try but not what I'd call wet... _________________ Yamaha 8335LA with Blessing 3C, 5C, Schilke 11A4A |
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deanoaks Regular Member
Joined: 02 Apr 2015 Posts: 75 Location: US
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:42 am Post subject: |
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I find that if I play with wet lips that I wind up getting excess spit in the mouthpiece cup which makes for a very pretty garbled sound.
Although I had a colleague that was fascinated and did 6 months with bone dry lips and then 6 months with wet lips.
I think the conclusion was that he couldn't notice a difference really between the two after he got used to one or the other.
So whichever feels better on your face should be the one you choose I suppose? |
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GeorgeB Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Apr 2016 Posts: 1063 Location: New Glasgow, Nova Scotia
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:55 am Post subject: |
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deanoaks wrote: | I find that if I play with wet lips that I wind up getting excess spit in the mouthpiece cup which makes for a very pretty garbled sound. |
That is my problem, too. _________________ GeorgeB
1960s King Super 20 Silversonic
2016 Manchester Brass Custom
1938-39 Olds Recording
1942 Buescher 400 Bb trumpet
1952 Selmer Paris 21 B
1999 Conn Vintage One B flat trumpet
2020 Getzen 490 Bb
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OndraJ Veteran Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2012 Posts: 104 Location: hometown
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:20 am Post subject: |
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I play on a wet setup. Sometimes, when there are a few single notes around high C, I tend to place on a dry top lip. I think that gives me some secure on this attacks.
I noticed, that dry players have more often a durable mark on the top lip then wet players. |
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ATrumpetBrony Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Dec 2015 Posts: 152 Location: Detroit
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:11 am Post subject: |
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deanoaks wrote: |
Although I had a colleague that was fascinated and did 6 months with bone dry lips and then 6 months with wet lips.
I think the conclusion was that he couldn't notice a difference really between the two after he got used to one or the other.
So whichever feels better on your face should be the one you choose I suppose? |
Leaves me curious as to what he settled on? _________________ ATB
It's not what you play...
It's HOW you play |
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