Time for a new trumpet - advice welcomed

Turkle

Howdy, folks.

As a reward to myself for paying off my last student loan (I'm now 100% debt-free!), I'm going to buy myself a new trumpet!

I have been playing my 8310zs for about 10 years as my daily driver. I play primarily jazz, and regularly do rock band and extremely small-time theater stuff. I also perform classical a few times a year. So I need a Bb that does it all. The Yamaha Shew has a gorgeous tone and is fantastically easy to play, and is incredibly in tune. But its slotting is so loose it's really pretty bad for classical and other work where pinpoint precision is mandatory. It's great for jazz and blues expression, but I don't trust the horn in the most demanding situations.

Here is what I'm looking for:

1) Lightweight - not negotiable! I am done with heavy horns for good!
2) Fantastic ease of play - I'm not looking to work hard, folks, I have a day job already
3) Great Slotting. Lightweight horns often have pretty loose slotting. I like that, but I need a horn that's going to "grab" the notes better than the 8310zs. As tight slotting as I can get on a lightweight horn, basically.
4) Versatility - must be able to play in any situation from small-group jazz to classical to loud rock stuff. From smokey and low to screaming and loud. From the blues to jazz to Carnival of Venice to Arutunian.
5) No vintage instruments. I need something shiny and new.

So! What I'd like from you folks is a list of horns I should try. At this point, I know that the Adams A5 (basically a Benge copy) and the Stomvi VRii (lightweight, big-bell) are on my shortlist. What else should I try as I evaluate my next trumpet?

Thanks!
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TKSop · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:14 am Post subject:

I'd put an Eclipse Celeste CLS on the list - I'm biased because it's so easy to go and visit Leigh (was there today as it happens) but it's such a versatile horn with the interchangeable pipes and plays incredible.

Regular rather than lightweight, but with interchangeable leadpipes you can get a tight-slotting pipe for some stuff and a more open one for when you want something a little different (admittedly you could look at Smith-Watkins horns for the same reason).

RussellDDixon · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:27 am Post subject:

Eric Miyashiro's YTR 8340EM Custom made Yamaha trumpet. I have played one for ten years now and I LOVE it. Light weight, large bell, resonates well and can hold anything you put through it.

The Kanstul 1600 is a sweet play also and gorgeous !
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BSTRUMPET85 · Regular Member Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 98

Van Laar has my vote. Really great horns!

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lipshurt · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:00 am Post subject:

Basic xeno or Bach 37
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dcjway · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:11 am Post subject:

Since your in New York City visit some stores with you mouthpiece and try them all or just get a Shires.

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rufflicks · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:12 pm Post subject:

There are a lot of players that came from the Z horn to a VRII and have been very happy with that decision. Excellent slotting even on the lightweight horns.
Best, Jon
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hackney_wick · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:18 pm Post subject:

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shofarguy · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:41 pm Post subject:

You might look at the Adams A5 and A6. The A5 is lightweight, plays something like a Callicchio in that it has a little bit of rigidity that makes landing notes more secure.

The A6 is a very good rendition of the Conn Constellation. It comes in brass and in nickel. The brass version has a free-flowing feel to it. The nickel is more stiff, so you may find that it gives you more security, as well.

A Kanstul 1537-P is a little lighter than the Bach, has a reputation for better intonation than most of the Bach 37s being produced recently. It has the signature versatility of a 37-style horn.
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giakara · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:45 pm Post subject:

Calicchio 1s2 ml .

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wiemelen · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:55 pm Post subject:

Stomvi S3 and VRII
Kanstul 1537 and some other models
Fides symphony lightweight (plays and looks good

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B&S (has several nice ones)
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Dayton · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:00 pm Post subject:

Aside from the two you mentioned, here are a few more to consider:
Edwards X-13
Shires TRCVLA "Vintage LA" model
Bach LT190L1B "Commercial" model
Bach 19043 -- the new model, but perhaps not lightweight enough for you

Happy hunting!

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Schilke - B5, B3, 32HD etc. Adams A10

Christian K. Peters · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:44 pm Post subject: Next horn

Hello all,
Lightweight would rule out the Schilke S32 or 33HD's. Though the 33 is a HD B2 in disguise. I think a B2 would be in order. Just a tad bigger than your Shew horn. But a nice even blow. A Calicchio 1S9 a little freer than the 1S2 or 1S7 in my book. I choose the 9 pipe over the 2 or 7. The feel changes through the registers on the Calicchio, so I prefer the feel and evenness of the S33HD Schilke. The upper register of the Calicchio is pretty unbridled though. It really does what it was made to do.
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lgt0412 · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:07 pm Post subject:

I'll put in my 2 cents for the Bach LR19043B. It sounds like my playing situations are very similar to yours (OP) and I have never found a horn that does everything better than this horn. They are amazing!!!

It's lightweight, super easy to play, slotting is very solid but there's room for expression, articulation is amazingly clear and crisp. I can get a smoky, fluffy sound for small group jazz stuff and it sizzles like crazy in the upper reg. And it is nice and shiny and has beautiful bell engraving for your aesthetic needs! Lol

I really can't sing the praises of this horn enough. I've played more than a few too, and they were all great. Havent found a dog among them yet!!
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Richard III · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:15 pm Post subject:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-King-H-N-White-Liberty-Balanced-Trumpet-Professional-at-Low-Price-/252456672858?_trksid=p2385738.m2548.l4275
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p76 · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:02 pm Post subject:

Also check out the Yam 8335LA - a great all round horn in my opinion, and nice and light. Can't recall whether the slotting is loose, but it's not tight.

I guess you'd already know that the 8310Z is a step-bore, and in my experience I struggle to transition from that style to something that's less "efficient".

Cheers,
Roger
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Gchalick · Regular Member Joined: 18 Nov 2016 Posts: 17

Find a lightweight Shires. I think Thompson has an Alwf in stock, and also the Clw model is excellent. Right now I'm on an A model and it's fantastic!
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