French Besson (Kanstul) Piccolo Trumpets

[rrova]

On e*ay, there are two French Besson piccs. Both look like P5-4s but the difference is the engraving on the bell. One of them is the F Besson Meha 60MP. This one has a pretty simple engraving on the bell. The other is just simple the F Besson A/Bb Piccolo Trumpet. However, the engraving on this one is similar to the engraving on the French Besson Mehas and Brevettes.

Are these 2 pretty much the same thing with different engravings? Or are they distinctly different models?

FYI - I'm a bass trombone player and my son is the trumpet player. So this is all new to me.

Here are links for the 2 trumpets:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/F-Besson-A-Bb-Piccolo-Trumpet-Beautiful-Condition/112474411523?_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D7d407d3b36f1433082766ac336b558fa%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D302371014113&_trkparms=pageci%253Acaccf080-6b00-11e7-8677-74dbd180c2f5%257Cparentrq%253A5111639415d0a9c510b70638fff9bde8%257Ciid%253A1

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-F-Besson-Meha-60MP-A-B-flat-Piccolo-Trumpet/302371014113?_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D7d407d3b36f1433082766ac336b558fa%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D302371014113&_trkparms=pageci%253Acaccf080-6b00-11e7-8677-74dbd180c2f5%257Cparentrq%253A5111639415d0a9c510b70638fff9bde8%257Ciid%253A1

[jiarby]

I didn't know Kanstul was still making Besson branded horns. Why would someone order a Besson pic like the one in the eBay listing over just a normal Kanstul 920?

[trpthrld]

To my knowledge, Kanstul has not made any of the Besson line of brass for close to 15 years.

As you can see on one of the pics of those piccs (yes - I've been wanting to use that line for quite some time now ), one has "Kanstul" under the "Besson" on the manufacturer's stamp, and the other doesn't.

I don't know much more about the Besson horns. All of my involvement with Kanstul has been with the Kanstul and Burbank horns.

The Kanstul 920 is basically a Schilke P5-4 but with a .460 bore, not the Schilke .450 bore.
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[jiarby]

I'd love to find a Kanstul 920 in lacquer, with nickel trim and a copper bell to match my 1601, 1510 C trumpet, and 1525 Flugel. Then I'd sell my Silver P5-4

[trpthrld]