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TheBrassBandMajor
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 Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:26 am Post subject: Rotary C VS Piston C |
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Which would be better?
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trumpet56
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| Do you mean the most versatile? |
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TheBrassBandMajor
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:32 am Post subject: |
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I mean by versatile, most players would say a Bach C? Wouldn't they?
But I would like to know the pros and cons of both parties. Both the piston's pros and cons and the rotary's pros and cons.
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trumpet56
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| What do other trumpet players you rehearse and perform with in your location use? Unless you are playing in a professional orchestra where you would use both rotary and piston trumpets I would advise the piston C. |
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TheBrassBandMajor
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Ok. I just posted this because I found a rather cheaply priced rotary C from a reputable maker in Germany so since I was on a search for a C, I thought maybe but it looks like I might be going for a Bach C.
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snichols
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I mean this with absolutely no offense, but based off how you asked that question, I'm going to assume you are playing trumpet primarily as a hobby and maybe play in a church or community bands/orchestras for fun. In those situations, it makes very little difference. If you find a rotary that you like for a good price, go for it.
That would be like me, a very amateur golfer, wanting to know if the newest Titleist or Taylormade driver is better. At my level of playing, either one would get the job done. |
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| snichols wrote: | | I mean this with absolutely no offense, but based off how you asked that question, I'm going to assume you are playing trumpet primarily as a hobby and maybe play in a church or community bands/orchestras for fun. In those situations, it makes very little difference. If you find a rotary that you like for a good price, go for it. ... |
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Andy Del
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Rotary C VS Piston C |
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| TheBrassBandMajor wrote: | | Which would be better? |
To quote a series which is being re-run on TV at the moment...
Yes
No
Maybe
I don't know
Can you repeat the question
There is NO hard and fast rule. You got some fantastic information from Dan in Sydney on (I think) Monke rotaries recently. I know full well he played Mahler / Strauss / Wagner on both rotaries and pistons, Bach, Yamaha, Thein, Schagerl, Monke, etc etc etc. Regardless of the horn bing played, he sounded than (and still does) amazing as he was the dude playing.
It's not about the instrument, it's about the player.
If one is at boarding school, it is early days. Have the absolutely best Bb you can. Then the best piston C you can if it's needed. And so on, but this is WHEN it is needed.
After teaching for... a long time, I can still count the number of students who needed a C / piccolo etc in high school on (OK) two hands. Right now, one 17 year old is playing Bb for most things, C in school orchestra and flugel in big band when needed. Another is doing this and plays piccolo for baroque repertoire. One more is playing Bb and Eb in Haydn / Hummel.
That's it. The rest are playing Bb piston horns.
You're original question is about as musically relevant as my recent one to a colleague. I am performing Quiet City with his orchestra and still can't choose which trumpet to play. I asked him to nominate a colour - gold, silver, brass, bronze, copper, rusty to help me decide. It has ZERO to do with the music or playability, as all will do just fine.
So (you're at boarding school in the UK, if memory serves) get a Bach C and be done with it...
cheers
Andy
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trumpet56
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Rotary C VS Piston C |
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| Andy Del wrote: | | TheBrassBandMajor wrote: | | Which would be better? |
To quote a series which is being re-run on TV at the moment...
Yes
No
Maybe
I don't know
Can you repeat the question
There is NO hard and fast rule. You got some fantastic information from Dan in Sydney on (I think) Monke rotaries recently. I know full well he played Mahler / Strauss / Wagner on both rotaries and pistons, Bach, Yamaha, Thein, Schagerl, Monke, etc etc etc. Regardless of the horn bing played, he sounded than (and still does) amazing as he was the dude playing.
It's not about the instrument, it's about the player.
If one is at boarding school, it is early days. Have the absolutely best Bb you can. Then the best piston C you can if it's needed. And so on, but this is WHEN it is needed.
After teaching for... a long time, I can still count the number of students who needed a C / piccolo etc in high school on (OK) two hands. Right now, one 17 year old is playing Bb for most things, C in school orchestra and flugel in big band when needed. Another is doing this and plays piccolo for baroque repertoire. One more is playing Bb and Eb in Haydn / Hummel.
That's it. The rest are playing Bb piston horns.
You're original question is about as musically relevant as my recent one to a colleague. I am performing Quiet City with his orchestra and still can't choose which trumpet to play. I asked him to nominate a colour - gold, silver, brass, bronze, copper, rusty to help me decide. It has ZERO to do with the music or playability, as all will do just fine.
So (you're at boarding school in the UK, if memory serves) get a Bach C and be done with it...
cheers
Andy |
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ajsonyi
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:52 am Post subject: It depends |
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| Most in he US use pistons, unless it's required for certain music such as Beethoven, Brahms, etc. |
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Andy Del
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: It depends |
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| ajsonyi wrote: | | Most in he US use pistons, unless it's required for certain music such as Beethoven, Brahms, etc. |
Both of whom did not write for a rotary (or piston) valved trumpet...
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| But he still needed the post to be able to advertise his Yamaha in the marketplace. |
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