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 Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Famous cats playing a C trumpet |
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| trickg wrote: | (snip)
As a new player, your best bet would be to work towards developing your playing on Bb, and if you do choose to try to glean things from watching players on YouTube, you're going to be much better served by finding guys playing on a Bb - there are more famous Bb players than you can shake a stick at:
Doc Severinsen
Maynard Ferguson
Harry James
Allen Vizzutti
James Morrison
Dizzy Gillespie
Arturo Sandoval
Sergei Nakariakov
Wyton Marsalis
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E716903
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:51 am Post subject: |
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The C trumpet would be convenient for a trumpeter who does not know how to transpose. For use in playing church music with Organs or Pianos that are C instruments.
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| peanuts56 wrote: | I believe Lee Loughnane of Chicago used a C trumpet on the recording of the solo in Ballet For A Girl In Buchannon.
If my memory is intact Lee has a classical background from his college days. I've always liked his sound. |
Very true. There are concert videos available out there where one can see Lee switch to the C trumpet for that work. And he does it well...
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| E716903 wrote: | | The C trumpet would be convenient for a trumpeter who does not know how to transpose. For use in playing church music with Organs or Pianos that are C instruments. |
That is a good use, but in truth, many of the folks who play C do so for the timbre. I play a LOT of C trumpet in orchestra, but play other instruments when the fit the timbre better, or that lay better on a specific trumpet. However, I'd bet 95% of my trumpet playing in orchestra is done on a C.
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Consider this small list of works that most everyone plays on a C trumpet (solos)
Tomasi - Concerto
Jolivet - Concertino and Concerto No. 2
Chaynes - Concerto
Desenclos - Incantation, Threne et Danse
Bozza - Caprice, Caprice No. 2, et. al
Berio - Sequenza 10
Francaix - Sonatine
Tomasi - Triptyque
And many more were written for the C trumpet, and are played on the C trumpet with regularity.
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One angle worth revisting again is “why.”
Watching a person play a C Trumpet to learn….
If a person finds differences in how they approach the physical act vs. Bb,
then perhaps there are some observations of note.
However, if it is for the physical act of playing a trumpet
the educational benefit may not have a huge impact vs.
watching professionals play a Bb.
I must add that there are nuances to the physical act
(Will they be visible externally however?)
and the mindset / mental strategy of approach that
lessons or hearing professionals speak about which
could be of great value to the player depending on their goals. |
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Lee Loughnane plays C Trumpet live on a few pieces that have a distinctly classical vibe, like Questions 67&68, which always sounds like fanfares to me, and the ballet.
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| Brassnose wrote: | | studio musicians or people doing musicals and the like may use a C as well |
A long time ago I got to have a masterclass and dinner with a group of LA studio players. The impression I got from them is that it's common on movie soundtracks to use the highest pitched trumpet that can play the part, because with the budgets and timelines that they have to follow, avoiding a missed note is the most important concern. If the composer wants a heavier sound than what the performer gave them on (for instance) an Eb trumpet, they can always EQ it to sound one way or the other.
Back on topic, this to my ears, is a wonderful sound on C trumpet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCOiOLlZZio
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I believe (?) it is easy to spot a trumpet player on a C horn. They are the ones NOT wearing sunglasses  .
 
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| E716903 wrote: | | The C trumpet would be convenient for a trumpeter who does not know how to transpose. For use in playing church music with Organs or Pianos that are C instruments. |
I have had great success playing C trumpet while accompanying organists in church, P & W ("Praise & Worship") literature/reperoire.
I suspect some well-known trumpet players are aware of this.
I recall a Wynton Marsalis piece, where he accompanied an organ with a C-trumpet that sounded glorious. (can't recall the name of the piece).
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To add to the thought of „a C trumpet is for those who cannot transpose“ … I am only an amateur hack with 40+ years of playing and am just now rediscovering all this great trumpet/organ music.
Yes, initially, I wanted a C because I suck a transposing but, having practiced both Bb and C and switching back and forth in one practice session for awhile now, I have come to realize that this is extremely beneficial to my playing.
It trains my ear and I am now able to pick up either horn and to be in tune right away, no bending of tones anymore because horn and ear don’t align.
Someone someplace some time ago on TH also suggested to practice Bb and C alongside taking a tune up and down a step on the respective instruments to become able to transpose in both directions. GREAT advice, have been doing this for a bit now, mostly on Hering and Clarke and going slow.
Why the long story? I have, ultimately found that transposing (at least Bb/C) is not that hard and that I can (almost) use my C now for different timbres (like someone suggested above) on a gig. On Bb I sound rather dark, while on C I seem to light up my sound much faster and more efficiently. Quite the interesting experience, really. Looking forward to trying it out in one of the next gigs to really brighten up the bright parts
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