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martin mc hale Regular Member
Joined: 16 Sep 2002 Posts: 68 Location: welsh national opera
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:23 am Post subject: Transposition |
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I’ve contributed in the past to various ways to transpose, citing my own preference for the “Orchestra Trumpeter” by Richard Stegmann. No surprise really as that was the book my tutor at college used to teach me. Some people chimed into the discussion advocating transposing by clef, a method used by Vacchiano in particular. Only this week have I come across a book that teaches this method by the erstwhile principal trumpet of the Royal Opera House in London , Bruno Mancini, written in 1927. Not only treble and bass clefs are used but also mezzo soprano and baritone clefs. I knew these things existed of course but never actually met anyone who used them. Is there anyone out there who still teaches this way? I’m not for a moment suggesting that one way is better than another- if you get the right result, a bit like using a bus or a train, frankly who cares how you get there. Interesting to see it in print though. |
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Jay Lichtmann Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:17 am Post subject: |
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http://www.wwjdo.com/_sites/sheetmusic/A_Transposition.pdf _________________ In his retirement he had become that most dreaded of former athletes, the one who always remembered how much harder it was in his day "when ships were made of wood and men were made of steel."
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Jay Lichtmann wrote: | http://www.wwjdo.com/_sites/sheetmusic/A_Transposition.pdf |
Great stuff.
Is there a page that has all of your great brass/trumpet resources? The one from your www.wwjdo.com that goes to http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/LICHTMANN/ hasn't loaded for me when I click on for the last while.... _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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Tpt_Guy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 1102 Location: Sacramento, Ca
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Transposition |
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martin mc hale wrote: | I’ve contributed in the past to various ways to transpose, citing my own preference for the “Orchestra Trumpeter” by Richard Stegmann. No surprise really as that was the book my tutor at college used to teach me. Some people chimed into the discussion advocating transposing by clef, a method used by Vacchiano in particular. Only this week have I come across a book that teaches this method by the erstwhile principal trumpet of the Royal Opera House in London , Bruno Mancini, written in 1927. Not only treble and bass clefs are used but also mezzo soprano and baritone clefs. I knew these things existed of course but never actually met anyone who used them. Is there anyone out there who still teaches this way? I’m not for a moment suggesting that one way is better than another- if you get the right result, a bit like using a bus or a train, frankly who cares how you get there. Interesting to see it in print though. |
What is the title of this book? I've been looking for Mezzo Soprano and Baritone Clef studies and have come up short. _________________ -Tom Hall-
"A good teacher protects his pupils from his own influence."
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martin mc hale Regular Member
Joined: 16 Sep 2002 Posts: 68 Location: welsh national opera
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:53 am Post subject: |
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The book is “The Art of Transposing” - a scientific and simple method for trumpet by G. Bruno Mancini, published by Rudall Carte and Co. (1927)
On the inside cover it has an advertisement for The Webster Patent Conical Bore Piston Trumpet with the accompanying eulogy “ A trumpet perfectly in tune , exceptionally free, very fine tone, and without the faults of the ordinary model trumpets”.
Got to get me one of those... |
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Jay Lichtmann Heavyweight Member
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Jason Rogers Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:24 pm Post subject: Anything can be transposed |
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Use Arban's The Art of Phrasing: down a minor 2nd; down a major 2nd; up a major 2nd....or anything _________________ Martin Committee 1954
Benge
Bach Stradivarius
Schilke
Getzen |
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