Who makes the best Bach Mt. Vernon 6C replica?

RL · Veteran Member Joined: 06 Sep 2009 Posts: 162

I do not know that much about mouthpieces but this is what I read on the KK website.

https://www.jk-klier.de/en/b/usa-line

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Jacko1235 · Regular Member Joined: 18 Nov 2017 Posts: 34

Maybe for you. I find the Curry 3C to be a comfortable mouthpiece, but the sound you get is definitely inferior to the new Bach 3Cs. This continuous discrediting of the new Bac 3Cs is incomprehensible, in my opinion it is now in people's DNA. It does not make sense[/quote]

I have a Bach 3C from probably 2007. Are they equivalent?

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kehaulani · Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:27 am Post subject:

What do 3Cs have to do with 6Cs?
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Manuel de los Campos · Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:45 am Post subject:

I once telephoned to Bruno Tilz -since I can speak German as well- and he told me that his BaKo (Bach Kopie) is made after Vincent Bach Mount Vernon models. https://www.mundstueckbau-tilz.de/92-modell-bako2.html
I ordered a 3C.
Nice pieces, if it's a one to one copy I don't know but what I know is that his 'copy' has a wayyyyyyyyyyyyy bigger backbore. Maybe because German trumpet mouthpiecemakers think of use in so called 'Concert Trompetes' ? The JK USA mouthpieces have bigger backbores as well rather than standard Vincent Bach pieces.
The rim of the 3C BaKo feld bigger than my original Bach Corp. 3C, more like a Bach Corp. 1 1/2C.
I expect the 6C BaKo to be bigger than the Bach Corp. 6C

By the way, Bruno Tilz has a special line for Jazz Trompete but the numerology is a mystery to me...

https://www.mundstueckbau-tilz.de/65-modell-usa.html
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RussellDDixon · Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:58 pm Post subject:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/325786289714?
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shofar · Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:10 pm Post subject:

Bob Reeves makes the best replicas of the classic Bach mouthpieces.

moketrumpet · Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:17 pm Post subject:

I noticed groove/tooling marks on the cup of the Bach mouthpieces now being produced. Very noticeable. Not buffed anymore. Are they made in another country?

Aj · Regular Member Joined: 14 May 2006 Posts: 83

I love my modern Bach 6C for sound and size. Curry 6 is too flat for me hence why I have a brand new 6B and 6Z for sale. (6C sold) The Curry 6B is a nice sounding piece.
Im interested to try Reeves classical 6C or the Marcink ver.

lipshurt · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:00 am Post subject:

I think the newest bach pieces are made very well. I have worked maybe 40 or 50 or more and they were all very concentric, and the shanks all exactly fit into my number 5 test plug. So they all gapped out exactly the same. The cups and rims of 10 different 1c examples all had cup diameters that measured out within .002 of each other. The cups were even closer to each other.

the one area of variation that was most notable was backbore size. The backbore reamer was not inserted the same amount and so my backbore reamer would go in various amount that were as much as like .015. That’s def enough to notice.

I’ve been doing quite a bit mixing and matching with the new Bach’s because they are easy to buy cheap from mouthpiece express. Orchestra players get a bunch and thread the backbores and tops and mix with yamaha or Bach’s from other eras. Sometimes I’ll do ten at a time.
One thing i really like is now the exterior humps in the middle are the same diameter, so they are easy to hold once the top is cut off. Also the flat spot where the numbers are is now perfectly concentric with the cup and rim and easy hold. That spot used to be not even flat and holding those required some ingenuity when doing modification like threading for a rim etc. Now it’s waaay easier.

All of that is because they are made CNC without removing from the chuck for a second operation. The old ones could be very far from concentric between rim, cup, throat and exterior. All of that out-of-concentricity could make for a magic mouthpiece however! Once you know where it should be clocked it could be better than anything if your chops liked a different bite for the top lip than the bottom lip for instance. That is why old pieces can be hard to beat for certain people.
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kehaulani · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:07 am Post subject:

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kehaulani · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:43 am Post subject:

Well, I'm so accustomed to Purviance and Reeves mouthpieces that I'm not sure of the value added. I would just say it's a different feel - not uncomfortable, just different- and the sound is a little deeper than what I've been using.
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kehaulani · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:35 am Post subject:

BreakFromTheHerd · Veteran Member Joined: 12 Apr 2022 Posts: 139

My Yamaha 13B4 was starting to feel tight to me, so I ordered a JK (Josef Klier) USA 6C from Europe. It does appear (as advertised) to have a Mt. Vernon 6C rim. Flattish and semi-wide, but not as flat as the Curry 6C rim. Medium-sharp bite, but still comfortable. The sound is crisp and compact - very similar to my 13B4. But the backbore is a tiny bit more open than the Yamaha's.

Sadly, I don't sound like Chet Baker or Lee Morgan with it. 😞

Irving · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 1888

In the JK USA models that I have tried, the backbores are quite a bit larger than Bach backbores. But, the hole is around a 28 (3.6mm), so that would be one size smaller than the normal Bach hole. You can order any of the JK models with a 3.8mm hole which is around a 25. I don't think they charge extra, but I'm not positive.