There are many rap/hip hop artists are are doing very creative and musical work. It's a 50 year old genre and has included some artists as Branford Marsalis, Maya Angelou, Kenny Garrett etc.
Not to mention Humpty Hump, a personal favorite (RIP, Humpty).
I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom, and I like my oatmeal lumpy.
Not a rap song, Seven Minutes of Funk has been sampled dozens of times by rap artists big and small. That's me, second from the right. (Click on the link to see me!) Yes, I like some rap, and I like Varese and Freddie Hubbard. I don't like the banjo.
I play (or, at least, give it a good try) 5-string Banjo; Scruggs style (not easy).
I DO NOT care for RAP. (If I provided what those three letters stand for, I would be permanently banned from this website. The "cancel culture is everywhere ).
I don't care if Botti, Venzutti, Marsalis, et al, do it. _________________ Sub-Optimal Hillbilly Jazz
I DO NOT care for RAP. (If I provided what those three letters stand for, I would be permanently banned from this website. The "cancel culture is everywhere ).
I don't care if Botti, Venzutti, Marsalis, et al, do it.
Hip-hop. 50 years of musical, literary and cultural brilliance.
Man Of Constant Sorrow, if you are so averse to “cancel culture,” then please enlighten us on what those 3 letters stand for.
If you don’t like rap that’s fine but your very strongly worded opposition and complaints about cancel culture makes me think that your distain for it goes beyond just music. _________________ '56 Martin Committee Deluxe #2 trumpet
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sounds like a good idea _________________ '56 Martin Committee Deluxe #2 trumpet
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Well ... actually, there is a possible "silver lining" to this cloud of gloom cast over those of us who buck the cancel-culture, and are not intimidated.
Rumor has it that Boy George ... now released from prison ... is thinking about re-forming his old band ("Culture Club") ... and is gonna rename it: "Cancel Culture Club".
Now how/why is this news mentioned here?
Boy George likes the idea of horns in his new band.
Stay tuned for audition announcements .... _________________ Sub-Optimal Hillbilly Jazz
I DO NOT care for RAP. (If I provided what those three letters stand for, I would be permanently banned from this website. The "cancel culture is everywhere ).
I don't care if Botti, Venzutti, Marsalis, et al, do it.
Whoa, that's a lot of hostility there, MocS! Just for the record, I never denigrated banjo players or those who like them. I just don't care for the sound of the banjo. I must admit, I have heard some killer banjo players, and the musicianship is incredible. Take Vince Gill - please! Seriously, I've heard him and his band in concert - excellent musicians all, and I enjoyed those concerts. I just don't have any banjo music in my collection.
If your definition of rap would get you banned from this site, it must be pretty awful. I wish you peace and an end to your sorrow. Shanti shanti shanti.
Rumor has it that Boy George is thinking about re-forming his old band ("Culture Club") ... and is gonna rename it: "Cancel Culture Club".
I can't lie - that's pretty funny! And for the record, I like some '80s music, including Culture Club, and especially Tears for Fears. Still don't care for the banjo. . . .
I DO NOT care for RAP. (If I provided what those three letters stand for, I would be permanently banned from this website. The "cancel culture is everywhere ).
I don't care if Botti, Venzutti, Marsalis, et al, do it.
Whoa, that's a lot of hostility there, MocS! Just for the record, I never denigrated banjo players or those who like them. I just don't care for the sound of the banjo. I must admit, I have heard some killer banjo players, and the musicianship is incredible. Take Vince Gill - please! Seriously, I've heard him and his band in concert - excellent musicians all, and I enjoyed those concerts. I just don't have any banjo music in my collection.
If your definition of rap would get you banned from this site, it must be pretty awful. I wish you peace and an end to your sorrow. Shanti shanti shanti.
I''ve seen Vince Gill a couple times, Early in his career ... and, a couple years ago with his "Time Jumpers" band.
Check-out "Bela Fleck and The Flecktones" ! Considered to be the finest banjo-player in the world today. Plays jazz, prog, traditional, avant-garde, blues, reggae, rock, metal styles.
Regarding the term, "RAP".
I did not have anything to do with coining the original definition. However; it seemed to gain traction, and was used for a good while. I recall hearing Howard Stern use it often, if that might provide context. Also; the inimitable Don Imus (R.I.P).
I'll provide a hint: R (first letter of a term, formerly used to apply to mental-patients, "special people") ... Attempting ... Poetry.
Now considered offensive. Hence; no longer acceptable. Someone may feel uncomfortable. _________________ Sub-Optimal Hillbilly Jazz
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 10:02 pm Post subject:
People used the word rap decades before any sordid assigning of the letters to words. People rapped - talked. Rap "music" was based on the spoken word -rapping. If "rap" became an anacronym for anything else, that was a later development. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:26 am Post subject: Spoken Word in Music
kehaulani wrote:
People used the word rap decades before any sordid assigning of the letters to words. People rapped - talked. Rap "music" was based on the spoken word -rapping. If "rap" became an an acronym for anything else, that was a later development.
Yep. And I'll add that I'm old enough (maybe not as old as you ) to remember when "rap" had several uncharacterized slang definitions.
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The idea of spoken word and music having an inter-genre relationship is old, it definitely predates rap, and by predate I don't mean Gill Scott-Heron. Mr. Scott-Heron arguably gave us the missing evolutionary link between bebop and hip-hop. Spoken word stretches back further. So far back that one can argue that one of the main reasons for music, in addition to accompanying dance, was to accompany spoken word performances or retellings of stories or legends. Beowolf was spoken word. The Iliad was spoken word. The Epic of Gilgamesh was spoken word. The Psalms in the Bible, in some part, could have been spoken word. Any type of "chanting" to music is technically spoken word.
I bet that, like everything, the majority of spoken word through the history of humanity was simple, everyday banal and/or vulgar krap. Many cultures used the genre as their sounding board for news and commentary of the common man. In modern times, we have the ability to record it, monetize it, and then play those recordings over and over again like sung pop music. I guess that's the reason why there are so many strong opinions of it. You have some true artists who do things with it that are memorable and creative, and the rest of it is as forgettable as anything else. That's not an indictment of "retards attempting poetry", it's a reality that follows any creative act, especially if the target audience is the everyday person on the street. Some of it will be wonderful for its time, a very small portion will achieve immortality, the rest of it will be disposable junk.
To try to bring this thread back around to the OP's subject, when Louis Armstrong's style was the pop music of its day, record companies pushed out jazz that was, to be honest, ridiculous sounding krap. Some of it made a lot of money for those who played it. Now their 78s are smashed landfill stuffing; their names are remembered only by collectors and historians. Louis's music and his performances are going to be around forever, or at least as long as we have recordings of it. I think that 's why all the experienced jazz players are advising, at least listen to learn, even when one doesn't necessarily like it. _________________ Enjoy the journey.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 8:23 am Post subject:
Gee. All that time that we were rapping, we never knew that the "R" was a dirty word. Imagine that. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Try to imagine what Louis might have been thinking when nobody else was doing what he was doing.
Don't compare him to musicians like Marsalis or Blanchard; compare him to his contemporaries or individuals (or groups) who preceded him. Try to imagine how different, how courageous, he must have sounded back then.
In my view, the majority of those who complain loudly about how bad "cancel culture" is are some of the biggest cancelers against what THEY don't like.
I don't know what this is being brought up-nobody was talking about canceling anyone before it became a talking point here. _________________ '56 Martin Committee Deluxe #2 trumpet
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With respect, I beg to differ-ignore means to not pay attention to something that you may not like or agree with and let them be. Canceling is a deliberate and aggressive act of taking away someone's livelihood, forum or public standing. Ignoring and canceling are not the same-they're opposites. _________________ '56 Martin Committee Deluxe #2 trumpet
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Couesnon Paris flugelhorn
Bob Reeves Sleeves and PVA
With respect, I beg to differ-ignore means to not pay attention to something that you may not like or agree with and let them be. Canceling is a deliberate and aggressive act of taking away someone's livelihood, forum or public standing. Ignoring and canceling are not the same-they're opposites.
Semantics.
There are many, MANY synonyms for "cancel".
Far more than I feel like typing-in on my trusty iMac.
A cursory Internet search yields literally dozens and dozens.
[BTW ~ No need to preface, "With respect ...".
That term has become meaningless. Politicians are fond of that phrase, along with "categorically". Whenever I see (in print) or hear those terms, I roll my eyes. ] _________________ Sub-Optimal Hillbilly Jazz
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