Bach 190M37X - Reviews?

[trumpjosh]

That's all well and good, but I have not been able to find any dealers who have this in stock besides the dealer who got the display model from NAMM. I certainly could be wrong, but if so those who have it in stock are keeping it a secret.
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[PH]

Okay, this week I played a new Bach 37 with the M+ configuration in lacquer. It was purchased new this summer from Schmitt Music in Minnesota by one of my current students. It was an OUTSTANDING instrument. It wasn't my personal cup of tea, but the intonation was spot on. The tone was super even over the 3 octaves I have available. The sound was "complete," by which I mean there was a balance of highs and lows (not dark or bright, but balanced and resonant). The sound was a bit lighter and more centered (and "French") to my ears than my new 43. The blow felt a bit tighter than my personal horn, kind of like what I think they were going for with the Yamaha Z horns, except the horn didn't fight back or resist the flow. (Personally, I have never been able to do much with the Yamaha Zs. They always feel like they are fighting me.)

Killer horn.
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[G Bechs]

Have more out there been able to play the M37X in the past month?

Also, does anyone know whether it will be offered in silver or only lacquer?

[nowave]

Wondering the same thing - when will these new horns ever hit the stores? I very much want to try this horn and the new lightweight 72 but they’re simply nonexistent.

[65strad]

[njt]

Any new news on these horns??
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[Jabroni]

Bach has come out with several models in the past few years, which are now discontinued. To each their own, but after trying all of them, I was not impressed. Craftsmanship, intonation and playability were average at best in my opinion. Recently, I tried the new VB bflat at TMEA. Again, satisfactory at best. In addition, Bach didn’t bother bringing anything but a few bflat trumpets, compared to Yamaha, Schilke and Adams. Bach has also decided to rehire the rep who had been on staff for several years, who again in my opinion was part of the issue in the past. Can anyone shed light on the decisions this company is making?

[chef8489]

[adagiotrumpet]

I played all three of the new Bachs that were at ITG last year. I thought they all were terrrific, and this is coming from someone who plays a Mount Vernon Large Bore 25 on a regular basis for classical work and a Schilke B3 for commercial playing on a daily basis. Of the three, the 37M was the standout. Even though I have played large bore horns exsclusively for decades, the sound and especially the response of the 37M was something I don't remember ever experiencing. It was almost as if the note came out as I was taking a breath. If I didn't think I would have needed a divorce lawyer when I got home, I would have bought the horn.

[abontrumpet]

[Chadwick]

A few retailers have separately relayed to me directly that Conn-Selmer has had various fulfillment issues of late with the 190 series, so not many people outside of the event crowds have likely tried these horns.

I got a call Friday from a sales rep that spoke with Conn-Selmer directly, and Conn-Selmer now estimates delivery of the Bach 19072X in May 2024 — so over nine months since I started looking in August. 🤷🏻‍♂️

For what it's worth: Yamaha had fulfillment issues with the 1st Gen 8335LA for the first year or two after it was announced, but that trumpet ultimately became a mainstay for a lot of commercial players in the years following. I'm holding out hope that a similar trajectory will happen for Bach and the 190-X series trumpets.

[abontrumpet]

[PH]

I've been told that it is taking longer to get things up and running than they expected. The new Bbs are being made but the weekly output of instruments is roughly half of what they expected and hope to eventually achieve. So they are making fewer than demand requires, but they refuse to let quality suffer for the sake of quantity. That is refreshing, expecially given the QC issues over the last couple of decades. The C trumpets are not ready to go into production, although they are "close." The prototypes are getting rave reviews, but they aren't road worthy yet.

It's like Orson Wells used to say on behalf of some wine maker. "We will sell no wine before it's time."
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[Chadwick]

[Jabroni]

Why would Bach rehire someone that was apart of the problem for so
Many years? Elusive answers and poor customer service on a regular basis.

[Dayton]

It is unfortunate that production issues are limiting Conn Selmer's ability to capitalize on the "buzz" for their new and revised models. I can't speak of the entire line up, but the 19037 II and the 19072V are FANTASTIC horns, and while the 17043GYR wasn't the right set up for me, it is nonetheless a very fine horn as well.

[Edited to add the 17043GYR.]

[OldSchoolEuph]

[abontrumpet]

[a.kemp]

We’ll have no knowledge of the consistency of these new horns until Bach can manufacture enough to get them into stores.

I’m not making any claims based on how X player, who is an Artist sounds on his/her new Bach (which has been tweaked for their liking). Not to mention, Sean Jones would sound great on any horn.

We’ll know soon enough.
(Well, maybe not soon)

[Daniel Barenboim]

What is this 37M model people keep referring to? Medium bore?

DB