Flugelhorn projection

stuartissimo · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:30 am Post subject: Flugelhorn projection

Is it common for flugelhorns to project really well? I always assumed that they'd be softer than trumpets. However, in a recording of a recent concert I was taken aback by how loud my flugel playing was. I didn't play really softly but I definitely didn't go all out...yet on the recording, it was pretty loud. Moreso than a trumpet solo I played during another part of the concert.

Do any of you generally hold back when you play the flugel because of this? Or do you generally feel like you have to push a little harder on flugel solos?
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Brassnose · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:29 am Post subject:

I had a similar experience recently in the orchestra and a while back while playing in a small, very dry sounding church. The trumpet works and all is fine but I did play a bunch on the flugel on both occasions and felt like it sounded … „more present“, maybe. I don’t want to say louder but the sound distributed better than with trumpet. Like you I was not pushing it at all, neither with trumpet nor with the flugel. It was quite an interesting experience and I’ll make sure to take the flugel to our rehearsals and to that particular church more often.
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Riojazz · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:59 am Post subject:

Mine tends to spread out more than project, and a lot depends on where the recording device is.

In my church orchestra, I use a cup mute on trumpet and cornet, but play the flugelhorn open at normal volume. However, I use a flugel mouthpiece with the next size deeper cup than what I use for jazz.

I have some flugelhorn mutes but I don't like them because of the slight change in pitch and the loss of flexibility I feel when using a mute.
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stuartissimo · Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:07 am Post subject:

markp · Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:38 am Post subject:

I’m lucky to have a Hub van Laar Ack and a Stomvi Titan. They are both wonderful horns with excellent power and projection when needed, especially the Ack.

Brassnose · Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:03 am Post subject:

I think the OPs question is rather the opposite: the flugel seemed to be over-present.
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nieuwguyski · Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:25 pm Post subject:

My impression is that the flugelhorn sound "spreads" more, and will fill a small room more than you might think. In a large hall, or competing against a loud band, I don't think the flugel will out-project a trumpet, though the trumpet will probably be more directional.

Years ago I played in a quartet that played jazz standards in a small restaurant. I brought my trumpet and flugelhorn once. Thereafter I brought a cornet, two mouthpieces, and bucket, cup, and harmon mutes.
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stuartissimo · Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:45 pm Post subject:

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nieuwguyski · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:54 am Post subject:

https://www.pocketcornets.com/conn_parlor_cat.jpg
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A "new" (not so new, actually) category for horns?

With my recently acquired (see my post, entitled "Thrift Store Score") OLDS Recording, I am achieving really dark (timbered), "fluffy" flugelhorn-like tones, at surprisingly soft volume levels. Not quite as sweet as I have been doing with the Pre-War French Besson cornet ... but, close.

No doubt, much has to do with my "Rube Goldberg-esque" mouthpiece + adapter/tuning bit I have experimented with.
Nevertheless, it works.

I am very pleased. I foresee some interesting applications/gigs (small rooms, intimate settings, lounges).
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stuartissimo · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:12 am Post subject:

Brassnose · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:17 am Post subject:

Not to sidetrack too far but I recently had the chance to play my teachers Taylor (Chicago??) trumpet and it was a most amazing experience. I have never (by far) played an instrument that needs as little air to start a nice, very soft sound (well, maybe my Schmidt). Truly impressive. I could see someone using that type of characteristics in a „parlor“ setting. The instrument essentially speaks at „no air“.
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nieuwguyski · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2023 5:25 pm Post subject:

Jaw04 · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:04 pm Post subject:

Flugelhorn speaks just fine. There's only one flugelhorn in a British brass band.

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stuartissimo · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:15 pm Post subject: