Custom C flugelhorn?

Brassnose · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:54 am Post subject:

Well yes, at the moment it is a Bb instrument. But what I meant is that if you ask, they might build a C horn. Also note that Roy likely never played this model; it came out after he passed away.
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adamcz · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:03 am Post subject:

Roy played the Wood - this looks really similar. I am probably not going to buy that this new Maroon instrument is anything but a flugelhorn.

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Brassnose · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:46 am Post subject:

Yeah, the Inderbinen marketing talk is pretty good

I have never even seen an Inderbinen instrument, let alone played one. Next time I’m in the area I’ll have to swing by their shop and check a few things out (and find someone to fund a purchase

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Brassnose · Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:44 am Post subject:

Found another one: https://www.facebook.com/TaylorTrumpets/posts/pfbid02peApZFBcewzaGWq6fugfFG4JwqcfkUARgzWGi4fLK1P2KpKAjRYeA4yxrkxXV8bel?__cft__%5B0%5D=AZVl0_6mdHeFOfg0i_6Nsowtovd4L5bTDSJJxc9ZsZbF5_grhMwEBb816ljhZ3gGVhdn1xSgYTzT1ZFIzyo1p7vGindk8OXJs9lQ2zn3vWFdEa0wZ7kLSOEUNKnVDIlCKxxuu4Li_4SR2iP2P4PN6hdUQf0En7CplzumVYfiS6eCvMt27GKUJl1JYZRWjcAqKmDsfCjKLaGi67hJiIsRqBXG&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R
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adamcz · Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:00 pm Post subject:

Thanks for sharing that. I'm generally skeptical about Taylor because some of their horns use designs that are bad ideas from a physics/airflow standpoint. Nothing jumps out as too obnoxious with this particular Flugelhorn though, so I'd give it a shot. I'll shoot them a message.
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Halflip · Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:11 pm Post subject:

Shawnino · Veteran Member Joined: 27 Jun 2020 Posts: 255

A few thoughts, but mostly most drift back to 'it's the mouthpiece'.

I don't have a C-fluegel, but the rare times I've wanted one, I've more than gotten by with a Curry TF mouthpiece on a C-trumpet. If I was going to need one often, I might not be satisfied with my setup, but for my needs it's plenty.

Yes by all means get in touch with Andy Taylor. My fluegel is a Bb that Andy modified to work with the right hand alone. Not inexpensive but they like a challenge and they've already done a fluegel in (low) Eb. To get the fluffy, ethereal sound, I find I need to use Taylor's own mouthpiece.

Inderbinen are great to buy from, again not inexpensive but very responsive and when they tell you the waiting list is X months (10 for my Basso), it really is X months. They also modified my Basso for the right hand alone. To get the sound-in-my-head, I had to get a custom mouthpiece from Klier (highly recommend them) but now I've got it. Of my small instrument collection, the Basso is the one that consistently brings the most joy and the fewest clams--I make a lot of mistakes and the Basso is exceptionally supernatural at somehow not reproducing them. If I believed in ghosts, a benevolent one would live in my Basso.

Brassnose · Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:22 am Post subject:

I don’t know how skeptical you have to be about Taylor. After all, the man has been in business for what? Thirty years maybe and the company seems to be doing well.

I only played a Taylor once: my teacher plays what I believe to be a lightweight of some sort (Chicago X lite, maybe) and this horn speaks at no air. Just look at it and the sound is there. I was highly impressed with the horn in general - the only thing is it’s probably too open for me to actually play on a gig. Impressive horn, though.
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adamcz · Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:32 am Post subject:

Brassnose · Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2023 11:39 am Post subject:

To be honest, some of the designs are just plain ugly. The Phat Boy is about as ugly an instrument can be … I was referring to the functionality, not so much the design. Even if they look ugly they may still play very well.

The C flugel I find quite cute looking but there will never be a matte lacquer instrument in my house. Silver plate or clear lacquer for me.

The regular Chicago and Piranha trumpets look good (to me and again plated or in clear lacquer

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Brassnose · Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:56 am Post subject:

I really don’t mean to bash Taylor horns; I’m just a different character, I guess, and like plain and straight horns. Having said that, I was REALLY impressed with the Taylor I could playtest, so it’s clear Taylor horns are technically sound. I’d probably just pick a less flashy design.
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shofarguy · Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:48 pm Post subject:

Andy Taylor is a hotrodder! Some years ago, he had a gallery section that had photos of mini-hotrods he'd built at his shop. They were something like 2/3rds normal scale and actually ran. That was all the explanation I needed to appreciate his niche in the trumpet builders' market.

Just look at photos of any year's SEMA show in Las Vegas (or wherever it's held now) and you may see a kinship between Andy's skills and design whimsey and the four wheeled creations on display there. I want to own one of his horns just because. I really don't care how they play or sound, the build is the thing!

And actually, of the few Taylor horns I've heard and/or played, the Phat Boy and the original (heavy) Chicago sound and play great! If I were to commission a Taylor for myself, it would be a Starship. That has to be the sexiest trumpet I've ever seen.
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Brassnose · Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:58 pm Post subject:

Just googled Starship Trumpet by Taylor. That one actually looks fairly normal, especially compared to some of his other projects. If I had the dough, I’d probably be interested in a cornet or the C flugelhorn - have been pondering a C flugel for a while, just really couldn’t justify the expense because I would have a very limited use for it.

The C flugel in clear lacquer and with some nice finger buttons, why not? If it plays anything like my teachers Taylor it’s a great horn and looks cute, too. Your German word of the day would probably be „knuffig“ to describe its looks

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adamcz · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:04 am Post subject:

I did hear back from Beck, and they still make the C Flugelhorn from that video posted on page 1 of this thread. If anyone is interested, it's listed in their full catalogue with pricing and options:
https://musikhausbeck.dev.wizmo.cloud/media/75/a8/cc/1700220218/Preisliste_2023_Web.pdf
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Brassnose · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:18 am Post subject:

Great, thanks a lot. I might be interested but the price I got quoted a while back for the piston C flugel was a grand less than what they charge now. Shoulda bought it but didn’t even have 3 1/2 grand at the time. Oh well.
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Danbassin · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:43 pm Post subject:

adamcz · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:26 pm Post subject:

Halflip · Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:41 pm Post subject:

I just noticed this on eBay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305439977494?

I thought the wrap looked kind of short, and then I saw the "C" in the title and "Tone: C" in the specs. Although the "Model: HDC-GBS" includes a parenthetical comment indicating it's only available as a special order, the price is about right for a pro-level XO horn (and a lot more reasonable than most of the other options previously discussed).

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I see now that there are actually several of these listed by different Japanese sellers, all used, and all purchased in 2010. The description on this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/404858080519?

says that it was custom-made by modifying a regular B-flat XO flugelhorn. Given that, it's hard to judge whether it would play well based on previous posts in this thread describing the complexities in making a flugelhorn in C, and the risks in trying to do so by cutting down a B-flat instrument.
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