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trubachAB
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 Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Couesnon Flugel |
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| Trumpetstud wrote: | Well, I finally got my Couesnon!! š„³š¤©
Itās a ā71 scratched raw brass. I played my first note on it and man! It was an awesome feeling. |
Do u like it a lot? |
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Trumpetstud
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| It is awesome. I am wondering if I should be concerned tho. The 2nd vale slide doesnāt pop when I pull it out which means no compression. Is that a huge deal? |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| Trumpetstud wrote: | | ... Is that a huge deal? |
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Might be if the instrument has problems with playing or intonation.
I wouldn't worry unless there is a 'real problem' with something in the sound or playability.
If you can easily return the instrument for a full refund because of the lack of 'pop', that could reduce your worry. Otherwise, as long as it plays well and is in 'expected condition' then I'd likely just keep it and not worry.
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Rhondo
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Iāve had mine (2 piece Monopole) a few weeks now and love it.
I picked up a Bach Corp. 5CFL mouthpiece for it and it came with a Corp.7CFL. This included mouthpiece has a shorter shank than the 5CFL, so Iām thinking someone must have cut it downā¦ I donāt know if itās the shorter length or the cup depth but the apparently altered 7CFL seems to get an even deeper sound than the 5CFL. I havenāt tried comparing intonation accuracy yet between the 2 mouthpieces.
Iām wondering if shortening the shank of a standard Bach Flugel mouthpiece is intended to get it to simulate a French taper. I donāt have the Melk leadpipe, but am inclined to think for me anyway, I donāt need it. |
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Brassnose
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Re: pop at the second valve. My Conn has the same āfeatureā and only very weakly pops when I pull out the second slide. It plays fine and neither my teacher nor I had and issue when playing it. The slide pops when I clean and re-grease it. So, as long as you have no problem ā¦
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the replies |
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| Man Of Constant Sorrow wrote: | | Rhondo wrote: | | He (Dillard) doesnāt just play high register on it. He plays ballad style smoky softly etc as well. I think Trent goes out of his way to do the same. |
Did I state Dillard just plays in the upper/high register?
NO.
Please read for comprehension and accuracy.
I do hope Dillard and Austin somehow get my comments passed-on to them. They might like a challenge. I suspect they are more than capable. They may even sell MORE Flugelhorns.
I personally can gather more about tonal subtleties by listening to Roy Hargrove and Sergei Nakariakov play the Flugelhorn. |
Iām confused. They ARE already doing what you are recommending. Are you saying that them playing in the upper register somehow negates the demonstrations in the middle and low registers?
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Is not my job to unconfuse you.
My observations, attitudes and comments are my own.
I call 'em as I see 'em.
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| Rhondo wrote: | | Iām wondering if shortening the shank of a standard Bach Flugel mouthpiece is intended to get it to simulate a French taper. I donāt have the Melk leadpipe, but am inclined to think for me anyway, I donāt need it. |
It might have intonation problems. A French taper is no taper, or a slight taper before the insertion point, but straight inside the leadpipe.
My Queenie ('7 came with a Bach 7CFL, which came shorter than a trumpet mouthpiece, and it sounded deep, but the intonation was off. I eventually fitted a Curry 3C FL-F, which is French (straight), and that improved the intonation and playability.
Basically, we need to match the mouthpiece taper to the leadpipe, whether we match a French taper (straight) mouthpiece to a stock Couesnon leadpipe, or match a Melk leadpipe to a Bach mouthpiece.
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Halflip
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| mograph wrote: | | A French taper is no taper, or a slight taper before the insertion point, but straight inside the leadpipe. |
Actually, the tapered part enters the leadpipe about 1/8" (see my first post on the first page of this thread). The same is true for my stock Couesnon leadpipe.
| Rhondo wrote: | | Iām wondering if shortening the shank of a standard Bach Flugel mouthpiece is intended to get it to simulate a French taper. |
Even if the Bach taper matched the tapered portion of the French taper, you'd have to shorten the shank so much that only 1/8" would insert into the French taper leadpipe; that's way too little for stability.
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Rhondo
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| Halflip wrote: | | mograph wrote: | | A French taper is no taper, or a slight taper before the insertion point, but straight inside the leadpipe. |
Actually, the tapered part enters the leadpipe about 1/8" (see my first post on the first page of this thread). The same is true for my stock Couesnon leadpipe.
| Rhondo wrote: | | Iām wondering if shortening the shank of a standard Bach Flugel mouthpiece is intended to get it to simulate a French taper. |
Even if the Bach taper matched the tapered portion of the French taper, you'd have to shorten the shank so much that only 1/8" would insert into the French taper leadpipe; that's way too little for stability. |
The shortened 7CFL inserts about 1/2ā. Total length to the top of the rim is a little over 2 1/2ā. The unaltered 5CFL inserts about 7/8ā. |
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| Rhondo wrote: | | The shortened 7CFL inserts about 1/2ā. Total length to the top of the rim is a little over 2 1/2ā. The unaltered 5CFL inserts about 7/8ā. |
I'm guessing that the shanks aren't flush against the inside of the leadpipe for the entire inserted length.
If they work for you, that's great. I'd heed what Uberopa said on the previous page, though. If you get a chance to try a French shank mouthpiece or a Melk leadpipe, I'd take it.
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