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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:15 pm Post subject: Schilke Z series? |
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Just curious as to who has tried the new Schilke Z series mouthpieces, and what are your impressions? (I KNOW, different players, different opinions, "you need to try it for yourself", "there's no magic mpce.", etc. I just ran across them, thought I would see what others who have tried them think of them).
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giakara Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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I am also very curious about the 14A4z with #28 bore.
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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giakara wrote: | I am also very curious about the 14A4x with #28 bore.
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Me too; so much that I just ordered one to try.
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giakara Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Please post your comments about when you get it.
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Will do.
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benlewis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Brad,
This blank is actually an old one that was popular in the 70s and 80s. Schilke was a big innovator in skeletonizing mouthpieces. I still use a custom piccolo mouthpiece Scott Laskey made for me in 1983 (gulp!). It looks almost exactly like the new Z blank, except it's a cornet shank.
Another trend that was big back then was annealing mouthpieces, especially horn mouthpieces. Some of my fondest memories are visiting the showroom on Wabash and talking shop.
HTH
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Ben,
I do remember the "skeletonizing" they used to do, but never saw or tried one. I guess there is not much really "new" in the trumpet world.
I also remember visiting the old Wabash Av location in the 70's, pretty much a trumpet-Mecca, especially on a Saturday! Scott Laskey was there at time, I think Steve Winans was there at that time too.
Remember that rickety old elevator that felt like was ready to drop at almost any time?
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:34 am Post subject: |
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Update: got the 14a4z, so far it doesn't feel markedly different from the standard weight 14a4a (which I have used off and on since the 70's), but I've not used it much yet. Plan on using it for the weekend gigs, we'll see how it works out. It does feel like it has a bit more "room" in the cup than the GR I've been using, which for me might work well.
As an aside, anyone know if these Schilke "Z" mpces are the "Jet Tone remakes" that Schilke brought out a couple years ago?
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval
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trumpet.sanity Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Is the backbore on those what Schilke used to call the "zinger" backbore?
I think they used to call it an "AA" at one point as well. I had a piece years ago, that I had the backbore cut and threaded for Warburton tops. It was stamped with a "Z" I think.
It was super tight and bright, wish I never traded it with a friend years ago.
Also, do the new Z series have a 28 hole now? |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:09 am Post subject: |
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I think so, ("zinger"), as far as the 28 throat, not sure; haven't been able to find that yet on Schilke's site. Maybe one of the ex Schilke guys here will know.
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:48 am Post subject: |
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trumpet.sanity wrote: | Is the backbore on those what Schilke used to call the "zinger" backbore?
I think they used to call it an "AA" at one point as well. I had a piece years ago, that I had the backbore cut and threaded for Warburton tops. It was stamped with a "Z" I think.
It was super tight and bright, wish I never traded it with a friend years ago.
Also, do the new Z series have a 28 hole now? |
I would say "zinger" describes it. Used it last night, it IS bright, but I don't think the sound crosses over into "brittle" or "shrill." It really does not feel a lot different to me than a standard 14a4a, but the sound is definitely brighter. Seems to work, for the type of gigs I do, so far. More time will tell, I think.
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trumpet.sanity Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Brad361 wrote: | trumpet.sanity wrote: | Is the backbore on those what Schilke used to call the "zinger" backbore?
I think they used to call it an "AA" at one point as well. I had a piece years ago, that I had the backbore cut and threaded for Warburton tops. It was stamped with a "Z" I think.
It was super tight and bright, wish I never traded it with a friend years ago.
Also, do the new Z series have a 28 hole now? |
I would say "zinger" describes it. Used it last night, it IS bright, but I don't think the sound crosses over into "brittle" or "shrill." It really does not feel a lot different to me than a standard 14a4a, but the sound is definitely brighter. Seems to work, for the type of gigs I do, so far. More time will tell, I think.
Brad |
Sounds cool. I bet the lighter weight blank adds a bit quicker response as well. Always fun to get a new toy, let's see what you think after the honeymoon period. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:26 am Post subject: |
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trumpet.sanity wrote: | Brad361 wrote: | trumpet.sanity wrote: | Is the backbore on those what Schilke used to call the "zinger" backbore?
I think they used to call it an "AA" at one point as well. I had a piece years ago, that I had the backbore cut and threaded for Warburton tops. It was stamped with a "Z" I think.
It was super tight and bright, wish I never traded it with a friend years ago.
Also, do the new Z series have a 28 hole now? |
I would say "zinger" describes it. Used it last night, it IS bright, but I don't think the sound crosses over into "brittle" or "shrill." It really does not feel a lot different to me than a standard 14a4a, but the sound is definitely brighter. Seems to work, for the type of gigs I do, so far. More time will tell, I think.
Brad |
Sounds cool. I bet the lighter weight blank adds a bit quicker response as well. Always fun to get a new toy, let's see what you think after the honeymoon period. |
True, the response does seem quick.
Yep, new toys are fun (as some guys shake their heads in disapproval over mouthpiece safaris.....😉).
As soon as it dawns on me that the new piece won't transform me into Doc I'll probably have a better idea.....😉
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