Who has a horn older than my king master cornet?

MontyPythn

I was wondering if anybody owns incredibly old horns my horn is fairly soon to have its 100th birthday. its a king master model cornet sereal number 22XXX putting it around like 1905-1910. It still plays like a dream. whats the oldest horn you guys own.
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BrassArranger · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:10 pm Post subject:

My flugel (Besson & Co Prototype Class A) dates back to around 1904-1905.
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mark schorah · Heavyweight Member Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 668

Buescher Arrisocate custom trumpet, from 1937

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trumpettyler · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject:

I have my greatgrandfather's Conn Perfected Wonder cornet on it's way to me shortly. It's been in the family since it was purchased new. My limited research shows it from around 1908 to 1914. This one has slides to play in A, Bb, or C. Spent the better part of the last 50 years in the closet, but the slides move freely. I'm going to see how well I can get it playing.
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wardsd · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Posts: 504

My oldest is a two-valve cornopian from about 1835. I also have three keyed bugles that are before 1850.

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Tim80 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 1415

My Boston Cornet was made in 1899.
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rftroy · Regular Member Joined: 07 Mar 2003 Posts: 82

My Boston 3 Star and my Conn New York wonder are both 1901 models.

radiobob · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject:

I have a York & Sons trumpet from 1905-1910. It's the oldest modern looking horn I have yet seen anywhere, a French Besson copy with the forward angled second slide, it looks modern in every way. I have another made not long after this one, also by York, but it has a key change mechanism and looks just like other horns from that era.
Both need restored.
Bob

Soontir2432 · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:47 pm Post subject:

Phoey, the oldest one I have is a 1945 American Prep cornet. It's leadpipe has an unusual wrap almost like a Holton.
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VintageKing · Regular Member Joined: 11 Mar 2005 Posts: 51

1394 King Trumpet
sorry a little dyslexic
1934
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TimBrown · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject:

J.W. York and Sons, Grand Rapids Michigan. 1905.

http://home.insightbb.com/%7Etjbrown527/brass.html

Close, I guess, but no cigar!

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StevenPSparks · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject:

Ward wins! I'm only in the 1890s w/ a beautifully engraved English Besson Cornet.
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vivace · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:05 pm Post subject:

dang it. I am like 1900-1905 with my conn connqueror cornet. I gots an old rexcraft bugle from the, i dunno, and an ancient blessing from the 40s maybe.
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tom turner · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject:

Hi,

You have me beat on the age of your oldest cornets . . . by a little bit.

I have a pair of identical Boston 3-Stars from either 1911 or 1913 (depending on the serial number list source). They are less than 150 numbers or so apart! I'd put those cornets up against virtually anything made today. They came with low and high pitched tuning slides. Many earlier cornets are high pitched cornets that have "A" at somewhere around 452 Hz vs. A=440 Hz used today.

Just because a horn is very "old" doesn't mean that is is necessarily a more primitive horn. In the case of the Boston instruments of that era, as well as a few other makes, people can be quite stunned to notice how well they play.

However, when evaluating vintage cornets and trumpets, the most important thing is to find a horn that was originally purchased by an adult player who never abused it . . . and who soon put it down permanently and relegated it to the old attic in short order! Both my Bostons are like that. One required a valve rebuild by Andersons though to play like it now does again. The other was definately not played much before putting it up . . . and it still has the original copper valves that Rich Ita judged did not require a valve rebuild yet.

Most cornets of that era however, were owned by school kids who dropped 'em and abused 'em . . . and these horns, if they even survived to this day, now show signs of serious repairs that have been done crudely and cheaply some time in the past.

In all cases, a cherry vintage cornet WILL need a precision valve alignment to play to its potential . . . and one that shows signs of major abuse and repairs may need to be taken completely apart to have the pieces properly straigtened, and then reassembled again to be stress-free.

Sincerely,

Tom Turner

laurie · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject:

Giday
I have a "J Highams and son" Bb cornet made circa 1890.(Made in Manchester U.K) Unrestored but still plays ok.
Cheers
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vivace · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:40 pm Post subject:

trumpetmike · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:20 am Post subject:

Silvani & Smith trombone - factory shut down in 1894.

I have played some of Crispian (Steele-Perkins)'s instruments that might well win this particular contest. Some of his natural trumpets are originals from the 18th century - I have played one that I think he dated at about 1720

somedaylikechet · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 261

I have an Lecomte flugelhorn. No idea about the age. I'd like to know myself. Take a look at my previous post regaring that horn. May be someone can can give me some info about it.

http://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33003&highlight=

Johnny-Highnote · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:53 am Post subject:

My oldest one is a Courtois-Koenig cornett,no clue how old it is-but it´s stamped with "conservatoire imperial" "1855" and has no serial-number.
And it still plays well

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Guest · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:47 am Post subject:

I'm not even close with a 1938 King SilverTone cornet.