Schilke Equivalent to Vintage Martin Committee???

lewis4545

This is more in the line of curiosity than anything else. I know that Mr. Schilke was one of the designers of the original Martin Committee. What I was wondering was whether there is any Schilke model horn that most closely resembles the classic Martin Committee trumpets of the late 40s and 50s in terms of sound.
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plankowner110 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 3622

Paul,
check for a private message.
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Guest · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject:

Archie Sawyer · Heavyweight Member Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 668

Yeah plankowner110, why not share with the whole class?

plankowner110 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 3622

I just gave him Phil Baughman's email address at Schilke Music Products and suggested he write directly to Phil regarding the Schilke/Martin equivalent. Phil was extremely helpful to me when I picked out my B1. And no, I didn't make any clandestine offer to sell a trumpet. My Schilke is the best trumpet I have ever played and owned so it's not for sale. That's the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me Maynard.
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lewis4545 · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:49 am Post subject:

I can attest to plankowner110's message. He did not make a clandestine offer to sell a horn or any other nefarious schemes (not that there is anything wrong with nefarious schemes). As suggested, I have sent an e-mail to Phil at Schilke. I will post the answer as soon as I receive one.
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Guest · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:17 am Post subject:

Well, I'm extremely curious to hear of a Schilke with a bell anywhere near the thickness and darkness of a Committee's. Schilkes may have conical bore, etc., but the bells are much lighter in my experience. For instance, a B1 is going to be very brilliant in comparison to the better Committees. So, does Schilke have a heavy bell that would work as a Committe-clone? I'm very curious to hear.

As you might guess, I suspect that the heavy bell material and the particular bell flare of the Committee is responsible for much of its signature character. The conical bore is also part of the formula.

Dave

Tom LeCompte · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:10 am Post subject:

I've played a Committee and I own a B1. Apart from the loose slotting of both horns, they played and sounded quite differently.

Dave, I suppose Schilke would make a heavyweight bell if you asked them. Nonetheless, if I wanted a Martin, I'd buy a Martin. If I want a Schilke, I'd buy a Schilke. If I wanted a Martin clone, I'd talk to the true custom builders like Mr. Lawler.

lewis4545 · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:16 am Post subject:

I haven't heard back from Phil at Schilke yet, but I was PM'ed by another TH member that they thought that the closest equivalent would be a B5 ML bore with a copper bell.
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Guest · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:50 am Post subject:

B_Starry · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:14 am Post subject:

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HunchbackofNotredame · Veteran Member Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 154

It doesn't exist.

lewis4545 · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:25 am Post subject:

I checked Jim Donaldson's "The Schilke Loyalist" website, where he states "Although it is entirely unadvertised, the bells on the B5 and B6 trumpet models and "some cornet models" are made from a heavier weight of copper. I was surprised when I heard this and immediately checked my daughter's 1976 B5 where there is a small oval under the bell near valve casing where the silver plate has worn away. Yep, it is copper."

So, apparently these were regular weight, heavier than the more lighter berylium copper bells.

http://www.dallasmusic.org/schilke/
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Guest · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:30 am Post subject:

Yeah, but the metal in Committee bells is HEAVY.

Dave

lewis4545 · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:04 am Post subject:

nextbrassguy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Posts: 1428

With all due respect to everyone involved here, this whole post strikes me as a bit odd.
As a group, the Schilkes I've had the opportunity to play are the brightest sounding horns I've ever played. I've never played a vintage Committee, but they have a reputation for a dark sound. That reputation fits with the recordings I've heard that were made on vintage Committees and with the new model I tried a few weeks ago. Leaving aside Monettes, Taylors and similar REALLY heavy, dark sounding horns, I think of Schilkes and Committees as being almost at opposite extreme ends of the spectrum.
Just my opinion, no offense intended!

StevenPSparks · Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject:

Mr. Schilke's total involvement aside, to me it is an apples & oranges comparison (or quest). My B5L plays nothing like my '46 Med bore Committee, and I doubt that a comparable bore (B6) would either. Just buy them both; You won't be sorry about either purchase.....lol
ps: I'm in the market for a '50s-early '60s Martin Magna, if anyone has one to part with. (No tips for the online sites, please; All that I've seen are newer than what I'm after)
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Tim80 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 1415

I've seen Martin Committee bells for sale every once in a while. A tuning bell Schilke with a Martin bell might be an answer to your question.

Tim