Cornet Solos on Flugelhorn

[m7]

Is it much more difficult to play cornet solos (e.g., Carnival of Venice) on the flugel? How does it sound? Any recordings available? Thank you for your inputs.

[bike&ed]

I've got a recording of Maurice Andre playing 'Hora Staccato' on a flugel, it sounds great, but making the articulations clear must certainly be very difficult, even for someone like him

[Mr. Stomvi]

Pick up a copy of Maurice Andre's "The Ultimate Trumpet Collection" on Erato - # 4509-92861-2. Great recordings of La Traviata and Carnival done on flugel. Makes ya wonder why anybody would do anything on cornet. Absolutely stunning.

Seth Moore
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[horndevil]

It is possible to play pretty much anything written for cornet on the Flugel, but is much harder to get some of the faster articulation nice and crisp, like you can easily achieve on a cornet.

For fast tongueing and running around frantically in all but the highest register, you will find the most challenging solos easier to acomplish on a cornet than on flugel of trumpet.

In short...if you really want to take up the challenge, go for it on flugel, but expect to work twice as hard for comparable results.
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[TheLawTalkingGuy]

[badocter]

"Bugel" is what the French call a Flugelhorn. I dunno about the Saxhorn bit.

[Mr. Stomvi]

Bugle for the French = flugelhorn. If you take a look at the liner notes on Andre's "Musiques de Kiosque" CD on EMI # 7243 5 55103 2 7 he also did "Carnival" (same arrangement - later recording with different cadenza) and it is listed as done on "bugle" while the rest of the CD was done either on "cornet", "Trompette" or "Trompette piccolo". The later version is similar enough to the earlier version that it makes me suspect that the earlier version was also done on flugel and listed wrong on the earlier liner notes. Maurice is so bloody smooth that it makes it tough to tell the difference sometimes. I think that I like the later version a tad better. What can I say - he was playing Stomvi horns then which he helped design

Seth Moore
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[TheLawTalkingGuy]

[TWEAK]

i try to play flugel horn at least 2 times a day for a good 30-45 mins each. i like to play variations on a theme from belini's norma. i havent had a hard time making the tonguing clear. maybe its just me. or it could be the horn. i dunno.
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[Paul.Trumpet]

[Seth Moore[/quote]

The reason cornets are and should be the weapon of choice vs flugel is because of the flugel's notorious intonation issues. I find the cornet to be more dead on for intonation than flugel or trumpet. Andre gets away with it because he is a space alien, and they can do stuff like that.[/quote]

Its my experience of the Yamaha 631G, Conn 1FR and Weril 9072G that cornets have worse intonation than flugels, compared to Besson sovereigns. The flugel is more flexible and easy to play high on - last time I heard Maurice had glued his front teeth together.. nothing about where he hid the mothership.....

[Kalidass]

[Kalidass]

sorry, I have to add something, and it seems that I made the same mistake as many dictionaries or other sources : The idea that the saxhorn is equal to the flugelhorn is historically wrong. See:
http://home.earthlink.net/~tenorhorn/flugelhistory.html