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Jonne021 Regular Member
Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 72 Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject: Valve oil for the V1 |
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Im using the al-cass oil now and I feel that I have to oil before every practice or playing session....dosen't feel right.
Any tips about a better oil? _________________ http://www.myspace.com/jonnebentlov
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1985 Bach Strad 37
Yamaha YTR6335HSII
Couesnon Flugelhorn (Late 60's)
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Tom LeCompte Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3341 Location: Naperville, Illinois
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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I use 5 Starr. I don't have that problem.
I broke the valves in with Al Cass. It took a staggering amount of oil at first. |
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shastastan Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 1405 Location: Redding, CA
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Even though I'm a rookie, I've already discovered that there are many different valve oils out there. I've been using Al Cass, too. I was told that it doesn't have a high oil content. I just sent for some Vaja.
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Bach Man 1X Veteran Member
Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Posts: 115 Location: Atlanta Georgia
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject: Use Hetmans Valve Oil |
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You have to use Hetmans valve oil on that horn I have a Conn V1 !BR beautiful horn. Get Light Piston Oil # 1. My instructor knows one of the guys who designed that horn and he said it was made for Hetmans . _________________ Bb: Bach Stradivarius 43* (Gold PLated)
C: Bach Stradivarius 229S (H pipe)
Pic: Yamaha 9830 Custom
Jazz:
Bb: Conn Vintage One (1BR)
Flugel: Kanstul 1525 (Signature)
Bach Megatone 1-1/4C
Bach Screw Rim 5B/ Cup
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TptPlayer88 Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 143 Location: Rocky Mountains
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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I think there is a post on Valve oils in the Horns Forum...Search valve oil and you should find what other people use...I've had some pretty good luck with Al-Cass, I also use Blue-Juice and Ultra Pure they're really good as well. _________________ Horns:
Bb: '75 Custom Bach Strad 37 w/ 43 pipe
C: '85 Yamaha 6445HS
Mouthpiece: 3C |
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ford850 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Posts: 664 Location: Ione, Ca
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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I use Blue Juice but it isn't broken in yet. _________________ Mark LaSavio
Shires CVLA
Kanstul Destino Bb
Getzen Renaissance 20S
Stomvi Master Bb cornet
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so55 Veteran Member
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 219
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hetman Light Piston Oil #1 |
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DCB1 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jun 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Jacksonville, Florida
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 3:05 am Post subject: |
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Zaja Blue. The best stuff I have ever tried! _________________ DCB <><
John 14:6
Member since 2001
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Selmer Radial
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Mark Bradley Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Jan 2002 Posts: 1149 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 3:18 am Post subject: |
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I second the vote for the Zaja Blue. |
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roynj Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Oct 2002 Posts: 2065
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 4:31 am Post subject: |
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All of the V1's I ever tried had gummy valves. My suggestion would be to start off with the Hetman light piston oil. Really work the valves for a day or two with the Hetman light. Then Wipe down all the metal residue on the valves (and inside casings) DO NOT WASH, just wipe down. Then put on a fresh coating and repeat the process until your valves work properly. Maybe it will take several rounds. Then go to the #2 Hetman piston oil, or al cass or whatever oil you like. |
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Rich G Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 2998 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 5:33 am Post subject: |
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I have never had a problem with Al Cass in any new horn with really tight piston tolerances. It's a very light oil, but since I tend to oil the valves every two or three days, how long it lasts is not an issue.
Blue Juice, on the other hand, just doesn't seem to last very long when I've used it in the past. It seems to have a very high evaporation rate.
My repair tech swears by all of the Hetman lubricants. |
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Tom LeCompte Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3341 Location: Naperville, Illinois
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 7:06 am Post subject: |
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It might be useful for people to mention what instruments their experience is based on. V1 flugels? V1 trumpets? (They have a different valve block - whether or not this makes a difference is another question) Other horns? |
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horndevil Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 604 Location: Out in the sticks. England
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:17 am Post subject: |
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I use Blue juice on all instruments at the moment. The V1 Flugel is fine with it. I oil the Flugel twice a week. The cornet doesn't get a lot of use, maybe once a week. The Trumpet valves are incredible and can go for weeks.
My old Besson 600 trumpet gets picked up every year or so and the valves work every time, straight out of the box. _________________ Haagston US3 Bb Trumpet
Conn V1 Flugel
Willson Celebration Cornet
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Rootnote Rex Regular Member
Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 98 Location: Indianapolis
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Rich G: Agreed, Blue Juice does seem to evap relatively quickly, but since I too oil often the longevity isn't really an issue for me either.
I use Blue Juiceon my V1 and it is super slick and fast. Awesome valves.
RC |
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Rich G Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 2998 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 11:31 am Post subject: |
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V1 Rex wrote: | Rich G: Agreed, Blue Juice does seem to evap relatively quickly, but since I too oil often the longevity isn't really an issue for me either.
I use Blue Juiceon my V1 and it is super slick and fast. Awesome valves.
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When I owned the Conn V1, I found Al Cass and Holton to work best, though I never tried the Blue Juice with it because I quit using it long ago due to the distinct kerosene odor that caused me to look elsewhere. Has it changed in the last couple of years regarding kerosene odor?
Nothing works as well as Al Cass on my Kanstul French Besson Brevete flugelhorn. Those valves are incredibly tight and are lightning fast with a light, thin oil. |
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Jonne021 Regular Member
Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 72 Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Tom LeCompte wrote: | It might be useful for people to mention what instruments their experience is based on. V1 flugels? V1 trumpets? (They have a different valve block - whether or not this makes a difference is another question) Other horns? |
In my case, it's the flugel. _________________ http://www.myspace.com/jonnebentlov
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Plays:
1985 Bach Strad 37
Yamaha YTR6335HSII
Couesnon Flugelhorn (Late 60's)
Conn Vintage One Flugel |
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nashbop63 Regular Member
Joined: 23 Nov 2003 Posts: 95 Location: nashville, tn.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:43 am Post subject: |
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I have a V-1 trumpet and flugel, and second the vote for Zaja Blue. It's by far the best I've found. I neede to clean the valves and casings to get my previous oil ( Al Cass, which was next best on my particular horns) then oil both the vavles and casings with the Zaja. You do need to shake the zajablue bottle before using. george tidwell |
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DC Veteran Member
Joined: 30 Sep 2002 Posts: 230 Location: Little Rock, AR
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I have both a V1 flugel and a V1 trumpet. I use Binak pro on both, with great success. During break-in, I had to wipe down the valves and swab out the casings every few of days. After break-in, I have been able to go for weeks without re-oiling or problems. In fact, I sometimes wipe down the valves and re-oil out of sheer guilt rather than need.
Binak has a mineral oil base, not petroleum. It doesn't evaporate like petroleum-based oils. Great stuff.
D. _________________ Conn Vintage One 1BR-46R-SLB -- GR66L
Getzen 20S -- GR66L
Conn 51B C trumpet -- TBD
Conn Vintage One Flugelhorn -- GR66FD
Yamaha YCR-6335HS Cornet -- Sparx 3
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trumpetmike8 Veteran Member
Joined: 31 Mar 2005 Posts: 113 Location: Hemet, CA
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:43 pm Post subject: Oil for the V-1 |
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I use All Cass Fast on my V-1 trumpet. For the first few weeks the valves were slow, but now they are nice and smooth.
I have BLUE JUICE but I have never tried it on my V1.
Musically
Mike
If when you first try you fail, you are normal |
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Rootnote Rex Regular Member
Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 98 Location: Indianapolis
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, I picked up this thread from the Home page links and didn't realize it is a Cornet/Flug Forum.
My comments were for my V1 trumpet (BR). When I bought it new, the valves were a little sluggish and had a break-in period. I cleaned it very frequently and oiled very frequently. But, after a couple months the valves got faster and faster and are now the best I've ever pushed (although I have played some Getzen Cornets that also had very nice valves too).
Rex |
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