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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:40 am    Post subject: Wynton on cornet Reply with quote

Mr. Jelly Roll Excellent cd, Wynton never ceases to amase me everytime I hear him. The plunger work and growling on most of the tracks is the best I have ever heard.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check him out on cornet on the late 80's cd (@ 1987) called "Carnival". It is one of the best cd's I've ever heard. He is an amazing player.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jelly Lord: Excellent; Carnival: Stellar (my opinions, of course). And if you like Carnival, you need to check out Roger Webster: Bandsman's Choice. You have never heard a cornet like this! Oh my G__....... Not necessarily better than Winton/Carnival, but equally as amazing.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing about Wynton (and I've always felt this way about his horn, even when he was coming up) is that he has all the notes down, all the smears and slides, but there is something picture perfect about his playing. He has all these things down by rote. He is a classical musician playing jazz. Listen to Mr. Jelly Lord, but then listen to the very same tunes played by Jelly Roll Morton. You'll see what I mean.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot all about Carnival...I am going to have to get that!!!
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had read that Wynton used a King Cornet when he recorded Carnival. Anybody know the model he used???? If in fact he did use a King.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that I read somewhere it was a Monette C?
ps: If you're looking for an explanation of the popularity of Al Hirt, you really need to listen to his pre-beard dixieland stuff. The Cinncinatti Conservatory taught him well.....lol
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard that Wynton used a Bach 184 shepherd's crook on Carnival.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it was definitely not a Monette. I've seen pictures from that recording session, and it looks an aweful lot like a Bach 184. Actually, I think I've even talked to people who played in that session who said it was a brand new Bach 184...still in the wrapped case!
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found what I read, and stand corrected: Monette was used on Jelly Lord, and a Bach on Carnival.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

... Just a follow-up to the Al Hirt comments -- try to find the LP with him playing with the (Arthur Fiedler-era) Boston Pops, and give a listen.
I think Mingus got too wrapped-up with Joni Mitchell to opine regarding Al Hirt.

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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep......Off topic from the thread, but I think that Al "He's The King" is among the most underrated artisians of our craft. The man was a monster player, RCA years and all.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow I was not expecting the Mingus quote to get a reaction. Al was the first Pro I saw live back in the late 70's. I have always enjoyed his playing. I put that quote up because I wonder how musicians like Mingus or Jarrett (on Wynton) can say such things. I need to find a more positive quote
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone else think Wynton is the Emperors New Clothes of trumpet playing?

Yes, he is a technically brilliant player, but where I live we have lots of those (and I am not kidding you, I live in a brass band hot spot, and there are two or three players within five miles of here who are technically as good).
BUT Wynton's playing has never MOVED me like Maurice Andre, Dizzy Gillespie or Louis Armstrong (and others).

Maybe its just me.....


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I am not saying Wynton is a bad player.
Please don't jump down my throat!
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Early jazz Wynton was pretty emotionless. But, his recent stuff is incredible. I don't really care about the brilliant technique...his playing is truly soulful now. He can swing like a motherf***er, and his sound is tremendous. He has become a great jazz musician.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My problem with Wyntons atempt at cloning the sound of Louis and those old N.O. cats is the same problem i have with Irvin Mayfield cloning Wynton and the same problem with the Lincoln center band doing trains; Miles said 'get your own sound man'. You aint going to do it better than Louis or Duke. If it isnt original it looses alot. People know. I can always remember sitting in a clinic with Irvin Mayfield thinking this cat plays the trumpet at 23 better than i ever will but its so sad. he talked like Wynton,dressed like wynton,and played like wynton.he was even playing a horn Wynton gave to him
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Check him out on cornet on the late 80's cd (@ 1987) called "Carnival".


If your refering to what I think you are, the cd is called "Carnaval" and it's with Eastman Wind Ensemble. It's a phenominal recording and really shows off Wynton's ability on the cornet. Between Fantaise Brilliante and Carnival of Venice, I thought I was gonna die from a double tounge overload.
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Check him out on cornet on the late 80's cd (@ 1987) called "Carnival".


If your refering to what I think you are, the cd is called "Carnaval" and it's with Eastman Wind Ensemble. It's a phenominal recording and really shows off Wynton's ability on the cornet. Between Fantaise Brilliante and Carnival of Venice, I thought I was gonna die from a multiple tounge overload.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

improver wrote:
My problem with Wyntons atempt at cloning the sound of Louis and those old N.O. cats is the same problem i have with Irvin Mayfield cloning Wynton and the same problem with the Lincoln center band doing trains; Miles said 'get your own sound man'. You aint going to do it better than Louis or Duke. If it isnt original it looses alot. People know. I can always remember sitting in a clinic with Irvin Mayfield thinking this cat plays the trumpet at 23 better than i ever will but its so sad. he talked like Wynton,dressed like wynton,and played like wynton.he was even playing a horn Wynton gave to him



Wynton DOES have his own sound. Compare his recordings to Louis'. They don't even sound similar. I think a lot of people say this about Wynton because it is the "thing to say," but they don't really listen to him.

If we're talking about style, then yeah, Wynton does play in the style of some of the older New Orleans guys. But then again, Miles played in the style of other people too. In fact, almost everyone plays in the style of someone else. That's one of the beautiful things in jazz music...people can hear the history AND future of jazz in your playing.

I can hear Miles Davis, Booker Little, Fats Navarro, Louis Armstrong, Dizzy Gillespie, Sonny Rollins, Thelonious Monk, Duke Ellington, and many others in Wynton's playing. But I can also hear his original voice as the core of his sound.

Is your sound completely void of influences? That's probably impossible. It's also not in the spirit of jazz music.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amen Joe!!! I would go as far as saying Wynton is the Paganini of Trumpet. He is intense and amazing!!
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