A genuine imitation, not an imitation of an imitation...

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"This is a spectacular and genuine New Selman 2006 Model Brass C-Key Trumpet. This IS NOT one of those Cheap Imititations of the Selman!"

Isn't that like saying "This is a spectacular and genuine First Act trumpet. This IS NOT one of those Cheap Imititations of the First Act!"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16214&item=7329722158&rd=1

jsmn4vu · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:52 pm Post subject:

Reminiscent of those ads in the back of comic books in the '50s for jewelry set with "Genuine Pseudo Diamonds." Ah, but those were simpler times.
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LittleRusty · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject:

You know the ad is right the "C Key" is hard to find. I looked at all the pictures and I could find the spit key, but not the "C Key".

Tristan the man 2000 · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject:

Lets just hope the things aren't made with lead,... like some of those pseudo diamonds were back in the day!
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Scooter01 · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject:

I hope nobody is dumb enough to actually bid on it.
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bandman322 · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject:

OMG -- what is going to happen when some kid's dad reads that garbage and buys it for his kid to use in the band this fall? I can see it now -- some musically illiterate idiot will walk into the band room and tell the band director that his kid has a "pro model Selman with a C-key"

LIfe for that band director will be hell for the next few minutes after that as he tries to explain how the Dad got ripped off.
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badocter · Veteran Member Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 413

The seller only has 60 negatives. And what about these other fine specimens hes sold

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16229&item=7326131551
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47098&item=7324794974
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16229&item=7328129294
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38108&item=7326469324
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16214&item=7326148803
What instructor would approve of any of that equipment?

I guess the guy with the blue violin will be in the market for one of his other offerings too:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43392&item=7324338412

bandman322 · Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:18 am Post subject:

So tell me -- what's wrong with those instruments. They say; "highest quality", "Teacher Approved", "Rare - Instructor Approved", "SUPERIOR QUALITY", and "guaranteed". These are obviously very fine instruments and any band member would be honored to own one

.

I love the way these pro quality pictures are taken on what appears to be his car seat.

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C - Harrelson 750 Modified Bach Strad
Picc - Schilke P5-4
Flugel - Kanstul ZKF1525
Bb - Bach Strad 180ML-37

"To be a teacher you need to be as good a performer as you can be: you'll have more to impart to your students musically." - John Haynie

steevo · Veteran Member Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 191

...It produces a sound filled with harmonics...

I have heard that there are little to no harmonics in the counterfeit Selman instuments.

bandman322 · Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:07 am Post subject:

I just sent an e-mail to Ebay fraud@ebay.com and spoof@ebay.com questioning if the advertisement is fraud??? I also questioned the use of the name Selman in an attempt to make people think it might be a Selmer.

I think I'm going to start a line of instruments called Yamahha and see how long it takes for Yamaha to shut me down? How about Yamuha? Of Back? or Sellmer? or Kanstull? or Monete? Darn -- this could be easy and if I do it on Ebay and change my store name often enough I could cheat people worldside and nobody could catch me!

I think I'll call my store Brasswind and Woodwind!
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C - Harrelson 750 Modified Bach Strad
Picc - Schilke P5-4
Flugel - Kanstul ZKF1525
Bb - Bach Strad 180ML-37

"To be a teacher you need to be as good a performer as you can be: you'll have more to impart to your students musically." - John Haynie

badocter · Veteran Member Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 413

Tristan the man 2000 · Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject:

The integrity of Selmer must be upheld!!!
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LittleRusty · Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:19 pm Post subject:

Tom LeCompte · Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:09 pm Post subject:

tootnbuzz · Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:43 pm Post subject:

I asked the seller what country this instrument was manufactured. As I expected I have yet to receive a reply.
By the way there has not been a single bid on it yet.

LittleRusty · Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:02 am Post subject:

dave belknap · Heavyweight Member Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 672

John Miller:

You and I apparently grew up during similar eras re the genuine fake diamonds, etc.

I enjoy your replies at this site. Your answers/suggestions to the obviously "trumpet challenged" writers, though more diplomatic than mine, are stimulating to say the least. Keep the sharp wit rolling.

Regards,

Dave Belknap
Trumpet
American Federation of Musicians-Local #47
Hollywood, CA

prof5 · Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:58 am Post subject:

I think he means key of C, but it undoubtedly sounds like H.

I'm considering a line of trumpets made by unemployed auto workers - I think I'll call it "Weld Thang".

Garry

bandman322 · Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:02 am Post subject:

My only question is how do these people look in the mirror in the mornings? I do a darn good job of teaching young people, but when one has a problem that I can't seem to solve I get so frustrated. I wonder what is wrong with me, and question why can't I get the kid playing better?

These people sell crap to kids knowing it will hold them back, and quite often lead to them leaving the band without ever having had a fair chance to see how well they could play. I wonder, do they ever wake up in the morning and say to themselves "today I will stop cheating kids!"

Hmmmm????How it it that this is showing up prior to two posts thate were already there???? Hmmmmmm???? Me doth smell the stench of a hacker's dirty deeds.
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C - Harrelson 750 Modified Bach Strad
Picc - Schilke P5-4
Flugel - Kanstul ZKF1525
Bb - Bach Strad 180ML-37

"To be a teacher you need to be as good a performer as you can be: you'll have more to impart to your students musically." - John Haynie

jgadvert · Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:15 pm Post subject:

Bandman puts it so well. Kids end up with many of these unplayable horns and quit playing because they think it's just too hard an instrument to play. Growing up poor, I remember in grade school, my father(with good intentions) buying me a shiny new Pawn shop horn(made in Tiujana) that absolutely would not slot certain notes...that should be easy for any beginner to play. I too remember being very discouraged..that I would never learn how to play. Thankfully, in frustration my experienced Trumpet playing teacher tried my horn and also couldnt play it. I then ran out and bought my first Olds Ambassador (it was cherished like Gold to me back then) and too realized it was the Mexican horn that was holding me back.

Having said that:

You fellas are having a ball ripping up this seller...assuming the horns are all crap. Fun aint it? Yeah, I know a genuine copy...not a copy of a copy(haha). I totaly agree he should change the name of the horns as they are too close to known mfr names. I especially like the Schill brand name

I'd like to try that specific horn.

I have tried many different Chinese made horns available at my local music stores. While most were crap, some were pretty good student level horns..put together pretty well. (I know you don't want to hear that bashers).

So instead of jumping on the bandwagon, I have contacted the seller and will ask him to send me some horns so I can (actually try the horns) and report to you how well(or crappy) the Selman and Schill play.

All the above posts may very well be deserved and valid. I just would like to call something junk when I have tried it myself.