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PhatMon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:40 am Post subject: Wynton on cornet |
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Mr. Jelly Roll Excellent cd, Wynton never ceases to amase me everytime I hear him. The plunger work and growling on most of the tracks is the best I have ever heard. _________________ Bach Strad 180S37
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MarkHeuer Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Check him out on cornet on the late 80's cd (@ 1987) called "Carnival". It is one of the best cd's I've ever heard. He is an amazing player. |
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StevenPSparks Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:45 am Post subject: |
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Jelly Lord: Excellent; Carnival: Stellar (my opinions, of course). And if you like Carnival, you need to check out Roger Webster: Bandsman's Choice. You have never heard a cornet like this! Oh my G__....... Not necessarily better than Winton/Carnival, but equally as amazing. _________________ Sparks in Daytona
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Back of town Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:16 am Post subject: |
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The thing about Wynton (and I've always felt this way about his horn, even when he was coming up) is that he has all the notes down, all the smears and slides, but there is something picture perfect about his playing. He has all these things down by rote. He is a classical musician playing jazz. Listen to Mr. Jelly Lord, but then listen to the very same tunes played by Jelly Roll Morton. You'll see what I mean. _________________ 1967 Olds Ambassador cornet
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PhatMon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:33 am Post subject: |
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I forgot all about Carnival...I am going to have to get that!!! _________________ Bach Strad 180S37
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PhatMon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 7:14 am Post subject: |
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I had read that Wynton used a King Cornet when he recorded Carnival. Anybody know the model he used???? If in fact he did use a King. _________________ Bach Strad 180S37
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StevenPSparks Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:04 am Post subject: |
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I believe that I read somewhere it was a Monette C?
ps: If you're looking for an explanation of the popularity of Al Hirt, you really need to listen to his pre-beard dixieland stuff. The Cinncinatti Conservatory taught him well.....lol _________________ Sparks in Daytona
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Tom K. Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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I have heard that Wynton used a Bach 184 shepherd's crook on Carnival. _________________ "At the round earth's imagined corners, blow
Your trumpets, angels" -John Donne
50s Olds Ambassador
70s Yamaha 738
80s King 650 flugel
90s Bach 184 cornet
90s Bach Strad 37
10s Carolbrass 5060 C trumpet
10s Schilke B5 trumpet |
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loweredsixth Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 1846 Location: Fresno, California, USA, North America, Earth, Solar System, Orion Arm, Milky Way Galaxy, Universe
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, it was definitely not a Monette. I've seen pictures from that recording session, and it looks an aweful lot like a Bach 184. Actually, I think I've even talked to people who played in that session who said it was a brand new Bach 184...still in the wrapped case! |
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StevenPSparks Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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I found what I read, and stand corrected: Monette was used on Jelly Lord, and a Bach on Carnival. _________________ Sparks in Daytona
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Robert Rowe Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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... Just a follow-up to the Al Hirt comments -- try to find the LP with him playing with the (Arthur Fiedler-era) Boston Pops, and give a listen.
I think Mingus got too wrapped-up with Joni Mitchell to opine regarding Al Hirt.
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StevenPSparks Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Yep......Off topic from the thread, but I think that Al "He's The King" is among the most underrated artisians of our craft. The man was a monster player, RCA years and all. _________________ Sparks in Daytona
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PhatMon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Wow I was not expecting the Mingus quote to get a reaction. Al was the first Pro I saw live back in the late 70's. I have always enjoyed his playing. I put that quote up because I wonder how musicians like Mingus or Jarrett (on Wynton) can say such things. I need to find a more positive quote _________________ Bach Strad 180S37
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GordonH Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone else think Wynton is the Emperors New Clothes of trumpet playing?
Yes, he is a technically brilliant player, but where I live we have lots of those (and I am not kidding you, I live in a brass band hot spot, and there are two or three players within five miles of here who are technically as good).
BUT Wynton's playing has never MOVED me like Maurice Andre, Dizzy Gillespie or Louis Armstrong (and others).
Maybe its just me.....
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I am not saying Wynton is a bad player.
Please don't jump down my throat! _________________ Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.
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loweredsixth Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Early jazz Wynton was pretty emotionless. But, his recent stuff is incredible. I don't really care about the brilliant technique...his playing is truly soulful now. He can swing like a motherf***er, and his sound is tremendous. He has become a great jazz musician. |
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improver Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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My problem with Wyntons atempt at cloning the sound of Louis and those old N.O. cats is the same problem i have with Irvin Mayfield cloning Wynton and the same problem with the Lincoln center band doing trains; Miles said 'get your own sound man'. You aint going to do it better than Louis or Duke. If it isnt original it looses alot. People know. I can always remember sitting in a clinic with Irvin Mayfield thinking this cat plays the trumpet at 23 better than i ever will but its so sad. he talked like Wynton,dressed like wynton,and played like wynton.he was even playing a horn Wynton gave to him |
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TurkeyHooNahNah Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Check him out on cornet on the late 80's cd (@ 1987) called "Carnival". |
If your refering to what I think you are, the cd is called "Carnaval" and it's with Eastman Wind Ensemble. It's a phenominal recording and really shows off Wynton's ability on the cornet. Between Fantaise Brilliante and Carnival of Venice, I thought I was gonna die from a double tounge overload. |
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TurkeyHooNahNah Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Check him out on cornet on the late 80's cd (@ 1987) called "Carnival". |
If your refering to what I think you are, the cd is called "Carnaval" and it's with Eastman Wind Ensemble. It's a phenominal recording and really shows off Wynton's ability on the cornet. Between Fantaise Brilliante and Carnival of Venice, I thought I was gonna die from a multiple tounge overload. |
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loweredsixth Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: |
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improver wrote: | My problem with Wyntons atempt at cloning the sound of Louis and those old N.O. cats is the same problem i have with Irvin Mayfield cloning Wynton and the same problem with the Lincoln center band doing trains; Miles said 'get your own sound man'. You aint going to do it better than Louis or Duke. If it isnt original it looses alot. People know. I can always remember sitting in a clinic with Irvin Mayfield thinking this cat plays the trumpet at 23 better than i ever will but its so sad. he talked like Wynton,dressed like wynton,and played like wynton.he was even playing a horn Wynton gave to him |
Wynton DOES have his own sound. Compare his recordings to Louis'. They don't even sound similar. I think a lot of people say this about Wynton because it is the "thing to say," but they don't really listen to him.
If we're talking about style, then yeah, Wynton does play in the style of some of the older New Orleans guys. But then again, Miles played in the style of other people too. In fact, almost everyone plays in the style of someone else. That's one of the beautiful things in jazz music...people can hear the history AND future of jazz in your playing.
I can hear Miles Davis, Booker Little, Fats Navarro, Louis Armstrong, Dizzy Gillespie, Sonny Rollins, Thelonious Monk, Duke Ellington, and many others in Wynton's playing. But I can also hear his original voice as the core of his sound.
Is your sound completely void of influences? That's probably impossible. It's also not in the spirit of jazz music.
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PhatMon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Amen Joe!!! I would go as far as saying Wynton is the Paganini of Trumpet. He is intense and amazing!! _________________ Bach Strad 180S37
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