Genesis-vs-Edwards-vs-Taylor-vs Monette?

[stradlover]

Ok...who's tried all these horns....or at least multiples? Compare the horns' playing characteristics here.......
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[Maarten van Weverwijk]

Don't let this thread pass away , I would like to read some reactions on this theme also.....

All the best,
Maarten.

[TrentAustin]

I've tried/owned them all at one point... what specific information do you want?



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[Maarten van Weverwijk]

It is not my thread, but personally I would like to read something about resistance, projection, sound and, most important for me, the ability to blend with other wind-instruments and trumpets of other brands (a problem sometimes with the heavy Monettes and trumpets alike). I see you are playing Eclipse now: I'd love to try out an Eclipse C-trumpet one day. Would you mind including your Eclipse experiences (Although probably not on C-trpt)?

Maarten

[TrentAustin]

[jonalan]

That's a very broad question, actually. Even if someone played a horn or two or three from each manufacturer (FYI, Edwards are made by Getzen), the odds that they played horns with comparable set-ups (bore size, leadpipe design, bell size/taper, materials, etc.), would be remote.

I've been playing on a Genesis for about 3 weeks now, and love it. The sound is so huge and powerful. Playing in a small combo with other horns, I can blend very well; but can also cut through, when needed. The flexibility with the sound is better than anything I've ever played. Bright, dark, soft, loud...it's all there.

BTW, the Genesis is identical to the Edwards GenX (or at least one set-up of the GenX). The GenX is more customizable (is that a word) in that you can choose bore size, bell size/material, etc. Both the Genesis and GenX have the same leadpipe options, so the Genesis has flexibility in that area as well.

I've never tried a Taylor or Monette, so I can't comment on those.
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[Maarten van Weverwijk]

[m4]

I would have to agree with Trent regarding staying away from heavy horns. IMO, I think we will see a phase out of these instruments in favor of lighter horns which can duplicate opr closely approximatey the "thick" sounds of the heavy horns but also blend well and be appropriate where the sound of the lighter horns is required.

I have only played the Monette; 993, 937, 2000LT--I would have to say that the 993 and 937 would be a hard blends, not to mention heavy--and they are heavy. The 2000LT seemed very suitable to lead style playing or very technical jazz palying but lacked the "warmth" of the heavy horns. I have not played the other horns so I cannot comment. And this was at the factory in 2001

However, like Trent, I would like to put in a "plug" for the instrument i am playing, the XO RGB. This horn is availble only in Japan. It is a lite horn, but with a large throat bell which is gold brass, reversed tuning slide, gold brass lead pipe, heavy mp receiver, .461 bore.

I have used this horn in section playing where all the other horns were schilikes, I had no problem blendiong and being able to play a very cutting high energy solo in the band through backgrounds, etc. Alternatively, I have used the horn in jazz quintet settingings where it blended very well with a tenor sax in contenporary jazz; and excelled in a trio seting with a piano and vocalist. I have found success with the Curry 5 Series and Monette B4 mps

The horn as a rich core and is able to do "what you want it to do" all in a very light package. The horn was designed by Heido-san, former designer at yahama and one of the group who were responsible for the creation of the Xeno trumpet.

Not to hijack the thread (have I!) but i will agree with the sentiments that there are light horns that can do what the heavy horns can do and more. This technolgy was not availabe even 5 years ago, but it's here today. You just have to find the horn that works best for you. Problem is, with glogalization, you may have vto travel the world to find it.

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Michael A Missiras, Ph.D.

[Maarten van Weverwijk]

[tpt-tooth]

[txtrumpetguy]

I would like to chime in as I am an Edwards artist and I love my Gen III horns. I have gotten nothing but postive reactions to my sound on those horns after switching from Bach. And since Edwards trumpets allow you to mix and match leadpipes (resistence factor), bells (weight and material - offering varying levels of projection and sound quality) and tuning slides (square, round, ovate - each has a differing level of resistence) you should be able to find some combination that suits yor needs. Check out their website for specs and details.

[Maarten van Weverwijk]

[camelbrass]

Maarten,

I'm primarily a Bb player (in fact exclusively) but have you tried the Hub van Laar Cs? Seems and obvious alternative.

I have a Taylor Bb and although it's a great instrument I don't think it's at its best in a section. Although I don't own an Eclipse I have played one and the Bb is a very fine instrument, easy to play, very flexible, configurations are custom and the sound is adaptable. I'm sure the C has a similar pedigree.

Yet another alternative is Will Spencer www.willspencer.orgwho could build you a very nice franken horn...particularly if the Bach/Blackburn set-up is what your comfortable with. It's a difficult sound and feel to replicate with anything else.

Just my 02 cents.

Regards,


Trevor

[djm6701]

A thought - why don't you take the Frankenhorn to Eclipse and have Leigh do the overhaul?
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[trumpetchops]

It's so hard to get an opinion on here because everyone thinks the trumpet they're playing is the best.

That being said, I have a Monette Prana one C and it blends.
My B flat is a 993 so I'm used to the heavier horn. The prana C plays veey simularly to the 993.

Sorry if there's typos. I'm on a Palm and it's late.

[stradlover]

Interesting thoughts everyone. Thanks for the thoughts.

Since someone asked, what I was personally looking for in comparing what I think most people think of as "heavy" or custom horns, was to compare the characteristics of each completely in the oposite direction from which the thread has gone....not that this is bad at all, but I personally wouldn't even think of trying to blend with my orchestra, etc on one of these horns I listed. I'm sure some might, but I was looking for just the opposite.....which of these horns "stands out" more in terms of a solo horn. Now, I'm NOT talking about projection, etc. I am talking about which of these horns would make the best solo, jazz or small group horn....one of those horns that's really easy on the ears for example in small group jazz, smooth jazz setup, or modern jazz small group, etc.

Personally, I need a lot of help from a horn in trying to "fatten" up the horn, or add that interesting, dry or smokey sound. So I was really wondering what people thought of these horns in terms of that, specifically. I know mouthpieces, etc. But I'm one of those players (lead TOP style player) who just projects, and has an awfully bright, crisp sound. But I'm looking at a small smooth jazz group we're doing, and I need a different sound....not necessarily "Chris Botti," but something that can really help me get an interesting, dark jazz sound. I'm thinking this may require a very heavy horn. Thus, I was looking at these horns, and added in the Gen II because of the ability to change setups.

Thanks for you thoughs ahead of time.......
Kelly
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Yamaha 6810S Piccolo Trumpet
Yamaha 2330 Cornet
Stomvi Titan Eb Soprano Cornet
Pocket Trumpet for the car

[cmcdougall]

[Maarten van Weverwijk]

[veldkamp]

Stradlover, I've played all 4 brands and if I wanted a horn like you a looking for, I would try the Genesis. They are all great horns which fits your description, but the Genesis is the cheapest and you still have the option to change the horn's playing feel and sound with different mouthpipes.

Or buy a flugelhorn...
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