Since bore size is irrelevant

Shabbs · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: Since bore size is irrelevant

Could we do a list of free blowing horns , especially the sleepers(cheaper or inexpensive) I understand it is not about bore size but most horns i try feel stuffy..I know this is because of my tight backbore mouthpiece, but I prefer my resistance in the mouthpiece.. Any input would be appreciated

Thanks to all in advance.

razeontherock · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:04 am Post subject:

Anything made by Callet. There's a Jazz in the marketplace now. He struck a very usable combination of open, w/o trying to play an "open window." Intonation and overall playability is superb. I've tried the Wild Thing and while it is VERY open and player feedback sounds great, listening to a recording of me on it was less than impressive. (Maybe it just takes chops that are more disciplined than mine?)

On the cheaper side of things, some older Benge's were very open.

Happy hunting!

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Shabbs · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:12 am Post subject:

Let me be more specific. I have owned callet jazz, besson meha, benge 3xplus..
I'm not talking high end state of the art horns. I know about the kanstul 1070,schilke x3 x4. yamaha 6340-738...wild thing etc.These are expensive custom horns even if they are factory the are custom price...I'm really looking for info on free blowing vintage olds and conns and non maynard holton(not lt or st302) I was thinking of putting a free blowing leadpipe on an ambassador.
Does anyone know which leadpipes are most free blowing? Sorry i wasn't more specific in my first post. Thanks again.

tom turner · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject:

Dale Proctor · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:01 pm Post subject:

I recently had the good fortune to buy an almost-unplayed 1960 Conn 6B Victor trumpet on eBay for $300. No mechanical issues, valves hardly broken in, spotless inside. Although it has a tiny .433 bore, it's a very easy-blowing, big-sounding horn. I've let 3 of the local pros play it, and they all want it!

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_dcstep · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject:

Free blowing trumpets:

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Shabbs · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject:

Thanks big Tom, I have read many of your posts and appreciate the input. Thanks to you to Dale I have been curious about the victors for a while..I have fell on hard times this last year or so..I need a decent playing horn for cheap.I know everyone asks this ridiculous question but i'm trying gain knowledge through others experience..I know horns. I had a callet jazz that i loved but it's gone now. I would love another jazz or meha or x4 or 1070 but it aint gonna happen for a long time if things keep going the way they have been. I have a beat the %$#& ambassador that was my ebay dissaster i bought. Can't win them all but one would be nice.. I want to develope a TCE but this horn just doesn't play. I see now that this was a dumb topic to post and will just keep pluggin' along and sooner or later i should stumble across a good horn deal. Thanks everyone,there's no need to answer this post. I would delete it if i could..I will keep buzzing my mouthpiece in the mirror and when i finally can afford the horn i want, it will just be that much sweeter.
Thanks anyway

tom turner · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject:

Sorry to hear about your misfortune.

The Callet Jazz is my second favorite Bb trumpet, just behind my beloved Wild Thing . . . and it is a truly wonderful horn.

Good luck in getting back on your feet. Heck, maybe when you do you'll find a great Jazz or a WT and you'll be back in business.

Frankly, after owning a horn like you've had . . . expect to be disappointed with most anything else.

Sincerely,

Tom Turner

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plp · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject:

That is a coprion (electroformed copper, formed on a mandril as opposed to drawn over the mandril) leadpipe. Check out the Conn Loyalist for more georgeous pics of these, as well as the 10-A long cornet with both coprion leadpipe and coprion bell.

I have a '61 6-B that looks as good as Dale's, until you get to the bell. It looks like someone took a pair of visegrips and crushed the bell in 3 places to the point it cannot be repaired. The bell material on these are super thin, and NOS bells just ain't happening any more.

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Thanks! I'll check it out.

BTW, nice looking valve casings too. Very modern given the era., and same eliptical brace plates as you see on the Olds line. Nice. I guess I've never stared the Conns down, but if this one's any indication, it's worth snooping.

(Now back to regular programming ........

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Hey, as long as I'm here, regarding this bore stuff, I'm with everyone that says to ignore it and just blow the danged horn. My NY Bach is a .453, but you'd never know it. Adversely, you could play a tank with a throttled down mp and be just fine.

chopissimo · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject:

Well, if most horns you try seem stuffy, it might be that you blow too hard!

I too play an old Conn, these horns are very responsive and do not need hard blowing. Easy does it!
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CrunchedBell · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject:

Have you tried a modern King Silver Flair. I tried one of these a few years ago. Inexpensive, and not my favorite, but very free blowing. In fact it was to open for me at that time.

DLoeffler · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject:

shabbs,

You stated that you use a tight back bore because you like the resistance. If all the horns you try seem stuffy, why don't you try a different backbore and see if that opens up the stuffiness? Warburton has a good, easy, and simple read about backbores at their website.

Here is a link to the Q&A page at the Warburton web site http://warburton-usa.com/faq.htm. You may accidentally find an answer to your problem with stuffiness there.
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Shabbs · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject:

I'm sure the stuffiness is mouthpiece related. However, they are Callet mouthpieces and small ones at that. They have a very tight backbore. Jerry's mouthpieces are what taught me to focus. I have been thinking of having a custom piece made with my lovely callet rim and cup but opening the backbore but i'm concerned about the balance of the piece being disrupted.I have had experiences with open backbores causing my pitch to flatten in the upper register. I understand Jerry is playing an Olds Super now, I would love to know how he's tweeked it. I saw a picture with him and the super and the leadpipe looked stock.

Shabbs · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject:

Thanks Drew

swinger_006 · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:11 pm Post subject:

You should look into the Andreas Eastman trumpets. Both blow extremely free and open, have great sound and response, and are usually under $700.00.
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hotorangetrumpet · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject:

Shabbs · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject:

thanks Tim i never heard of those, i'll keep an eye out for one. On a completely unrelated note check out this clip of Derik watkins from the 70's.
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/maynard%2Bferguson/video/149299

Dale Proctor · Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:24 pm Post subject: