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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:03 am    Post subject: Dominant 7th in the key of C- two octaves. HELP! Reply with quote

Dominant 7th in the key of C- two octaves. What does that mean? I don't get another lesson until Monday 15th because my teacher is away. I want to learn my grade 5 scales as I have my exam in March time and this is a required scale.

Dominant Seventh: in the key of C (two octaves) Is what the syllabus says.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dominant seventh scales (often called mixolydian) are just like a Major, but with a flat seventh step.

(ascending) C D E F G A Bb C D E F G A Bb C
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lolo,

Are you sure you aren't being asked to play a dominant 7th ARPEGGIO two octaves rather than a SCALE?

C E G Bb are the notes for that arpeggio.

Consult your Arban method book and you'll find the dominant 7th arpeggios in every key starting with C major.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like Manny is right! (big shock here...) I'm glad you posted.

I just checked and... The ABRSM Grade 5 trumpet syllabus refers to the Dominant 7th under the heading of arpeggios (C E G Bb C E G Bb C ascending).

On the other hand the ABRSM Grade 5 jazz trumpet syllabus refers to a particular mixolydian under the heading of scales.

Do the arpeggio.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay. I just do the arpeggio? Thanks. I have always failed the scales (grade 4 I got something like 10) so I'm getting an early start.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Dominant 7th in the key of C- two octaves. HELP! Reply with quote

Lolo wrote:
I want to learn my grade 5 scales as I have my exam in March time and this is a required scale.


Based on what you say here, it looks pretty clear that your goal is to practice the scale, not the arpeggio.

Lolo wrote:
I have always failed the scales


How are you going to avoid failing scales by practicing arpeggios?

Until you're sure, I'd say just practice both.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm taking into account that there may be a bit of confusion by the student.

At any rate, you're right. A serious musician practices scales and arpeggios to push his technique whether it's required.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MannyLaureano wrote:
I'm taking into account that there may be a bit of confusion by the student.


As a good teacher must.

I'll admit, when I read "dominant 7th" I think of
a chord, not a scale.
(But then I think of a scale to play over it).

Lolo seems fairly sure that scales are the problem,
but, hey: Why not blow your teacher away on the
15th when you can do both?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Dominant 7th in the key of C"

Dominant in C is the V chord....starts on G..

G B D F=Dom 7th in the key of C Major.

C7=C E G Bflat (key of F)
G7=G B D F (key of C)

The 5 (V) chord is the Dominant of the major key.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Bacon has the right answer for the query - assuming the exam in question is the Associated Board Grade 5 - G, B, D, F, G

This is part of the exam syllabus published by the Associated Board of the Royal Schools of Music.

Lolo - to be honest, your teacher should be telling you this, if they aren't - ask them why they are not.

I am a brass teacher who uses this and the Trinity Guildhall exam system - if you have any queries, please feel free to PM me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy moly, I stand corrected!

Who woulda thunk that ABRSM would suddenly become concerned with chord function on the practical tests!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, you're right, David. I got C7 stuck in my head after reading lh's post and didn't bother to get it unstuck. At any rate, the Arban's book spells it all out quite nicely.

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