SCHILLER OLD CITY MOROCCO TRUMPET

James B. Quick · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:33 am Post subject: SCHILLER OLD CITY MOROCCO TRUMPET

Yes. It's True! This horn has "Rich, crisp tone blows freely, yet stable with extremely coherent note slotting."

Offered by one of Wisconsin's most respected dealers.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schiller-Old-City-Morocco-Trumpet-/300681269051?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item4602000f3b

ADziuk · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:05 am Post subject:

James I'm sorry, there is a dealer who has started selling Schiller brand instruments in my area in the Twin Cities.

I have personally laid hands on and disassembled most of their trumpets and french horns, and I can confidently say they are utter garbage. I have to constantly deflect my brass students' parents in my two school programs from getting these.

Among the problems are shoddy plating on the valves, terrible workmanship in the rotors on their horns(and I mean worse than even Chinese discount horns), bad soldering that breaks after little use, bad quality metal that cracks and pits, and valve alignment on their trumpets that makes you wonder if they were even TRYING to line the holes up.

Maybe for $1,800 you finally get into something that is playable, I've never seen this horn in particular, but so far everything else I've touched from this maker is garbage. Stay away IMO.
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yourbrass · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:08 am Post subject:

"Among the problems are shoddy plating on the valves, terrible workmanship in the rotors on their horns(and I mean worse than even Chinese discount horns), bad soldering that breaks after little use, bad quality metal that cracks and pits, and valve alignment on their trumpets that makes you wonder if they were even TRYING to line the holes up."

But really, what is it you don't like about them? (HA)

I'll keep an eye out for these beauties - where do you think they are , er, manufactured?

ADziuk · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:00 pm Post subject:

I'll give you a hint: it's not Germany. I think most of their brass manufacturing is in Shanghai, and I cannot imagine a more appropriate location to match their advertising claims.

Like I said, I've never actually played anything of theirs in the $1,800 price range, so perhaps the horn in question here isn't as bad.

However, Schiller puts out a lof of stuff in the $400-500 price range and tells kids they are "pro" horns. That dishonesty alone is enough for me that even if they do ever make something nice they have burned their bridges with me.
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Brad361 · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject:

Never seen or played one, but I'm always a bit suspicous of "sound alike" names, like "Schiller", "Monique", etc. Just waiting to see a "Bech Stratospherius" next.

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Capt.Kirk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 5091

Schiller is a famous town/city in Germany for the record. Long before Oldman Schilke prob. had family with the last name of Schilke the Town/City of Schiller existed. So do not be so sure they are trying to copy Schilke's name recognition because to be honest outside of hardcore trumpet players nuts like us Schilke is not a household name at all. I bet if I asked around the High School maybe one of the Band remembers would have even heard of them. SO if someone wanted to bite off a name I think it would be Bach since they sell 20,000 trumpets a year.
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ADziuk · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:28 pm Post subject:

Actually that is what they are trying to do though, is rip off a German sounding name. Schillers are NOT made in Schiller, Germany. That is just a name they picked to blow smoke up your you-know-where.
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delano · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject:

The same with Steinbach, Staunbach. Jager, Fasch and so on, and in a different way: Haagen-Dasz

LittleRusty · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:48 pm Post subject:

Capt.Kirk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 5091

Would love to try one and tear it apart but my curiosity is not at the $1800 price point!!!! LOL I am always keen to try out different bells and leadpipes. IF the bell and leadpipe and tuning slide where unique in their sound in a good way you could always toss them on another valve assembly. Not at the $1800 though!

My take on quality control and build quality and sound quality is " If their student instruments are junk then I do not want their pro stuff either!" Basically if a companies student horn is not as good as an Olds Ambassador in new shape then their prostuff is not for me.

That is one of the things I like about CarolBrass their $400 student horn will keep up with horns in the $2000 price range! If their student horn is that good then what about their pro line!
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Brad361 · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:01 pm Post subject:

Brad361 · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject:

Hmmm, sort of quiet......(....crickets....).
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DavesTrumpet · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:55 am Post subject:

Brad361 · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:57 am Post subject:

DavesTrumpet · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:59 am Post subject:

Capt.Kirk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 5091

I was not saying that I knew they where naming themselves after the CIty of Schiller. I was simply establishing that the name "Schiller" is older then the name "Schilke". How is Jaeger Brass owned by Ivan being deceptive?

Their is prob. no name you could use that someone could not claim was an attempt at coping or trying to take advantage of some other name. For the guys that starch their shorts and like to make fun of me who do you Vinny copied for his Trumpet name????? I am hear to tell you that he was attempting to cash in on the name, fame,reputation etc.....of the Stradivarius String Instruments when he all but stole the name. I am guessing he did not worry about trademark,copyright or the fact it was a Family Name not belonging to him. Never mind he butchered his own first and last name. HE also copied the design of the French Prewar BEsson and melted down a cornet to figure out the alloy ie reverse engineered his product..........So if you not going to apply your totally biased standard to your hero then you have no right applying it to anyone else! One standard not 2 not 3.....
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Brad361 · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:59 pm Post subject:

Self deleted.....it's just not worth the aggravation.

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LittleRusty · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:01 pm Post subject: