New lover!! An 8310Z!! (sigh...)

JonathanM · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: New lover!! An 8310Z!! (sigh...)

Just got it yesterday and wow! What a horn!

I've used (mostly) a Warburton 4S with a 4* backbore and I'm still getting a nice, fat, warm sound - which I'm thrilled with.

As others have said, it does take some backing off - especially up high but what a fun horn to play! Just a blast to puff and hear the sound (and the player can hear it so well, too!). Just a lot of fun and I can't wait 'till the family let's me alone to try it some more!

Incidentally, I've seen posts of valves being a bit sensitive - what are you finding does best? I'm using a mix of Yamaha and Blue Juice - O.K. but... They seem sluggish till they get warm...

Ah, what a lovely horn, though!

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Trumpets: 18043B, 18043*, 18043 Sterling Silver +, 18037 SterlingSilver+, Benge 4x, Olds: '34 Symphony, '47 Super, '52 Recording
Flugle: Strad 182
Puje: American Belle
Cornet: Olds Recording & Super

jazzhorn04 · Veteran Member Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 291

Hello Jonathan! This is Armond.
Glad to hear the new horn is working out for you! I am also in search of an 8310Z. I tried one after we talked about the Xeno and absolutely fell in love! If you know anyone with a nice lacquer 8310Z wanting to trade send them my way

jazz_trpt · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject:

Be careful mixing oils. Different viscosities can combine to produce maddeningly slow response.

Yamaha valves are pretty tight in terms of tolerance, so you want a light oil. Just make sure to clean the valves if you switch.
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windandsong · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject:

Genuinely jealous of all these cats that find their yams to blow better than their bachs. Finding the right upgrade horn must be a piece of cake for you guys.

jazz_trpt · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject:

JonathanM · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject:

WindandSong... For me it's really easy, I guess. I do strictly solo's so I never have to worry about blending, standing out, etc. I see all the comments about 'lead mouthpieces...lead horns...blending...' and that's pretty much all lost on me. Since all I do is solo it's an easy choice.

I move along through a lot of horns so I guess I'm a fickle lover but I must say the 8310Z is such an easy blow it's hard not to like.

Just a few weeks ago I picked up a great Strad 37 with a * - lightweight bell and thougth I'd keep it a long time...but then I found the Z at a good price and it's just so easy to play. Again, if blending in a horn section were essential the Z would probably be going by, by and not the Strad.
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Jonathan Milam
Trumpets: 18043B, 18043*, 18043 Sterling Silver +, 18037 SterlingSilver+, Benge 4x, Olds: '34 Symphony, '47 Super, '52 Recording
Flugle: Strad 182
Puje: American Belle
Cornet: Olds Recording & Super

JonathanM · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject:

windandsong · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

Jonathan, if you want to sell your lightweight, PM me with a ball park figure, description, age etc.

Jeff...good call on design stakes altho I wouldnt know what the difference was. They definately blow and play a little easier but thats as far as it goes for me. I guess I am what you would call an envious to own decent Strad person. Have an awesome D and have played a handful of awesome lightweight 37's...all of em I think at least 20 years old.

Anyway I wont bore you with my opinions on these horns...enjoy!

Gabriel.

JonathanM · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

windandsong · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject:

Hang on...8310z, i know the one. Rev leadpipe, no braces etc. I'm with you. Commercial thing. Alright. Tried one the other week. See difference to Strad now.

jazz_trpt · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject:

Kevin Burns · Veteran Member Joined: 15 Nov 2006 Posts: 179

JonathanM · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject:

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Winghorn · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject:

Jonathan-

Congratulations on finding your dream horn!

I felt the same enthusiasm about my Destino 5* when I bought it last summer, and it just keeps getting better and better! I highly recommend Ultra-Pure valve oil. It works great with all my horns, and makes the valves feel silky smooth and fast.

Please keep us updated as you become more and more familiar with your new love.

Regards

Steve Allison

corsair · Veteran Member Joined: 29 Aug 2006 Posts: 135

Congrats on the new horn.

I've played the 8310Z now for about 2 years now and it is just a sweet- heart to play. Compared to my old Strad, it is so responsive it is like you think the note and the horn instantly responds, with hardly a breath. I find that it blends in any setting. If the horn is right for you, it will fit for whatever you wish. If you want to stand out, it will comply with your demands. If you want to blend, it will be just as happy to blend. And I've played a Bach 3C for most of my life playing trumpet. Tried other MP's but none have worked out yet for me. So far 3C for me works best. And also improved range with less effort.

jazzhorn04 · Veteran Member Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 291

razeontherock · Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject:

I love Blue Juice, Zaja blue, etc. It is NOT a light oil. It's actually less refined (by perhaps a few big steps) than yellow stuff or clear. It protects against acidic sweat / spit.

I believe the Ultra Pure is very light. As you break in your valves, wipe them off frequently with a lint free cloth as long as you keep seeing tell tale metal grey on your white cloth. I'd also clean the whole horn, not just the valves, between changing types of oil. For a synthetic, some like T2 and snake oil. I think spending this kind of money on a horn merits some experimentation with valve oil as it can make a real difference!

Oh, and congrats on finding a great horn - nice taste.
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JCBb · Regular Member Joined: 18 Jul 2007 Posts: 58

I had a 6310Z not too long ago (wish I still did) and I solved the sticky valve problem, after trying many brands, using BiNak Pro valve oil. Fast and smooth - greased lightening!
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JonathanM · Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject:

Well, I've had my 8310Z for a couple weeks now and thought I'd report in. My oldest daughter, 17, just got her first 'real' job at Starbucks and brought me home a nice, large coffee...So I'll be up awhile.

I'll preface/review this thread by mentioning that in recent months I've played on a very nice Xeno 8335RG, a great Bach Strad 37* and this horn (plus a few lesser horns as well).

The 8310Z is so impressive! One of the first things I noticed was the tight compression in the horn. Every horn is different...But when you pull the 3rd slide out on this horn it returns all the way back to the pull start. Amazing. Ditto the 1st slide (but not the second!

).

The valves are nice; not the fastest I've ever had but a good feel. They still need to be worn in (I hate the term 'broken' in).

The tone...I like warmth and play with a pretty dark tone by choice (hopefully most of us acquire the tone that we appreciate most) but this horn is so nice. Even with a medium shallow cup (Warburton 4S) and small backbore (4*) I'm getting a commendable tone; with a 4D and a 12 backbore I'm rethinking my need of a cornet... Yes, the horn can sizzle; I can make it ring...But I love the warmth I can get out of it. That warm, dark tone exceeds anything I could get with my Xeno or Strad - for sure.

With the larger bell and new bell rim Yamaha used on the Z it is easy to hear one's self. In fact, I feared that the feedback was deceptive and that the horn would not project well - 'my bad' as they say. I played in a church sanctuary Sunday that had pretty dead acoustics so I set a microphone up to aid my sound projection. "Unnecessary!" was the responce from those seated nearest the platform...And those in the back as well! Hurrah! Not only does the player get the benefit of hearing him/herself but the enhanced hearing seems not to be at the expence of the projection! Cool!

The small bore (step bore) start... Well, life isn't perfect, is it? I got the horn and a Warburton Q-M backbore almost together (and a Yamaha Silent Mute system)...Bad medicine!! I don't know if it was one or all but after about 3 days I could hardly play anything. I suspect it was the tight backbore more than the step-bore of the Z but I'll probably never know. I'm doing little with the Q-M until I learn the horn better; trying not to overblow - especially in the upper register but the horn is certainly more delicate and less demanding than my Xeno with reversed leadpipe. One can play it and really relax and enjoy as opposed to always thinking "Project...Posture...Huge Breath..." At least I feel so much more relaxed.

So far...the Z is a dream! Great to hear one's self, mesmerizing tone, good projection, easy to play...What am I missing? Hm... Help me out; am I missing anything?

When I checked BrassReview on this horn I noticed myriad complements and few detractions. 15 reviews averaged the Z rating at 9.80 out of 10...Not bad (the highest for a modest priced horn with a good number of reviews that I've noticed. Now I know why.

http://www.brassreview.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1075/sort/8/cat/32/page/2
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Jonathan Milam
Trumpets: 18043B, 18043*, 18043 Sterling Silver +, 18037 SterlingSilver+, Benge 4x, Olds: '34 Symphony, '47 Super, '52 Recording
Flugle: Strad 182
Puje: American Belle
Cornet: Olds Recording & Super

razeontherock · Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject:

You're missing donating me your Qm. Glad you're diggin' your new baby!