Kanstul backbores

lburrows · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: Kanstul backbores

Hi

As a bit of background, I played lead for six years with a big band that played mainly for dancing. We therefore played more old time dancing stuff, as well as as bit of latin, and the Glenn Miller numbers. Having the top D at the end of In the Mood as the high point of the programme, I always used a Bach 3C.

For the last few years, I have been playing fourth trumpet with a big band, that plays more typical big band repetoire. Personally, I like fourth, but I have been asked recently to do a bit of depping on lead.

Not having played a typical lead mouthpiece, and not wanting to initially stray too far away from my usual set-up, I had Kanstul put my Bach 3C rim on their B3D (copy of a Bach 3D) cup, to make me a custom top.

I started with a Kansul B10 (copy of a Bach 10) backbore, as this is what I have on my Bach 3C.

I am now considering a slightly tighter backbore from the Kanstul modular mouthpiece system, to give me a little more upper register support and endurance, and would like something on the same lines as the B10, only a little tighter.

The R2 (copy of a Reeves 2) sounds a possibility. I have previously tried the B76 (copy of a Bach 76 backbore) on a standard Kanstul 3C top and I didn't like it. I also do not like it on the Bach 3D, which comes with the 76 backbore as standard.

What are your views on the R2 backbore, and do you have any other suggestions? Thank you.

I am also considering having a top made, which is a copy of the cup end of my Bach 3C.

I could then use this with the B10 backbore, as a spare 3C for my other trumpet.

What would be the effect of combining a 3C top with a tighter backbore, or do tighter backbores generally better compliment shallower tops?

Although playing fourth for most of the practise, I have started playing lead on the odd number, to get me used to leading again. I therefore like the idea of keeping to the same cup which I have been playing for the rest of the practise, and just switching to a more efficient backbore.

Would this work?

Thanks

Lou
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DCB1 · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject:

I can't help you on the backbore you asked about but you may want to look at some of the Warburton backbores... you can find them used for a decent price.

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jblo · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject:

I've not tried either the 76 or R2, but when I was looking for more of a lead setup, I was torn between the Bach 41 and the Reeves 692 backbores. Chose the 41 because it gave me a little more flexibility to color the tone. I've used it in other settings too with success, so I don't think it's too focused.

FWIW.

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lburrows · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:36 am Post subject:

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lburrows · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:51 am Post subject:

lburrows · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:03 am Post subject:

I've just realised that I have looked into this a little already. I've had the idea in my mind for a while, but I didn't realise that I had already done some research. My, I really do go round in circles

I have noted that the Reeves website says the following:

Backbore: 2
Our standard backbore. More centered than a Bach #10 with excellent tone color and intonation. This backbore works well on all of our cups. It was the 2nd backbore Bob ever made.

Presumably, therefore the R2 would work ok with a Bach 3C top.

I'll have to think some more.

All the best

Lou
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Mikeytrpt · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:20 am Post subject:

Lou, that Reeves #2 backbore with a 3C top is an excellent combination.

lburrows · Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:31 am Post subject:

Hi Mike

Thanks for this.

Lou
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crzytptman · Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:49 am Post subject:

I agree. I used the R2 when I first got my BMV1-1/2C and it worked great for everything with a Bach 72*. Excellent tone color. On the Flip Oakes horn, I use a B7 for everything. For some reason, the R2 doesn't ring the horn like the B7. It's all about balance.
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lburrows · Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject:

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Does anybody know where (and how much) I can buy the Kanstul backbores? I can get them from a local dealer, but I'm hoping to find them for less than $60 each. Worst case scenario, I could send an old 7c or 10 1/2c to get cut for threads. I'm pretty much just looking for a #10 at this point, but it may expand from there (of course).

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I'll just cut to the chase here ... I have a Kanstul R2 and an R69 for sale. Keep in mind they are Kanstul's versions of the Reeves bb's, but they are very good. $40 for either.

Send me a PM if interested.
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lburrows · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:27 am Post subject:

Hi Michael

Thanks very much for this.

I'll give this some thought.

Thanks again

Lou
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lburrows · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject:

Mikeytrpt · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject:

Lou, they are really close. For me, the Reeves #2 has a bit more "commercial" type sound...maybe a bit more zing and focus. But either one would work. I have played that Reeves #2 backbroe that Michael Manthey is selling. it's a graet backbore.Do you have a top to put it on?

lburrows · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject:

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lburrows · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject:

Hi Garry

Thanks very much for this.

I have a feeling however, that you may have misunderstood, as Mikeytrpt was talking about the Reeves 2 backbore in comparsion with the Bach 10 backbore, rather than in comparison with a Reeves 69 backbore, but then again maybe I have misunderstood your post.

Nevermind anyway, as I have found your experiences with the Reeves 69 backbore in comparison with the Reeves 2, very helpful.

Take Care

Lou
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Bach 180ML 37/25 Trumpet - Bach 3C
Bach 184ML Cornet - Kanstul custom Bach 3C
Besson 927 Sovereign Cornet - Bach 5A
B&H Imperial Cornet - Bach 5A
Bach 183 Flugel - Bach 3CFL

gchun · Guest

Lou-

My error. Thanks for the clarification. Good luck on your search.

Garry