Sonic Boom, 600 series, Slap cup?

Mike Trahan

If you look though the discription of curry's 600 series, Gr's sonic boom cups, and monette's slap cups, they are all very similar. Is this a new trend? I'm sure that each one has its own unique charachteristics, but the sinilarities are impossible to ignore. Lower alpha angle and compensate by raising beta angle. I currently use Mark Currys 70m and 70s and love what feels like the "front to back" compresion. But I wish it had some of the "side to side compression" that the shew/ monette /vizzuti style lead pieces have. When I look at the kanstul comparator, (the old one, if you search stork and kanstul comparator on google, that one) Most if not all high efficeincy high compression lead mouthpieces seem to have not only tight second cups but also moderate to extreme alpha angles. If I remember correctly Curry's Z cups are high alpha angle low beta angle. Is the most efficient mouthpiece a combination of the highest alpha angle you can use with bottoming out the sides, and the tightest second cup with out bottoming in the middle? If you look at the monette shop youtube video there is a clip of the "blueprints for adam rapa's lead mouthpiece over his classical jazz mouthpiece. It has not only a higher alpha but also beta angle. THE QUESTION> Does any of that make since, have anyone used the RAPA monette pieces, and has anyone used a 600 series rim with a standard lead cup? The 70 rim is pure awesome. whew done!

DCB1 · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject:

Warburton has been doing this for a long time. Play it wrong and it will shut off on you.

The 600 series rims are very nice.

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Mike Trahan · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject:

Well warburton does keep their (lowish) alpha angle about the same throuout their range per rim diameter, but none of those mouthpieces really slap. If anyone gets me lol. It seems like the warburton is great if you just need extra compression and you bottom out on high alpha angle pieces. I think the wild thing trumpet mouthpieces may be closer to what im looking for. They are based off the curry m cup, but have a higher alpha angle and slightly more open intrance into the throat. If only they had a lead version of the wild things. I think the RappaL1 mouthpiece is a moderately high alpha slap cup( which will provide the volume and articulation of a flat bottom cup, but the side to side and brightness of a v shaped leadpiece) whilst his all arounder has a lower alpha (darker ) and lower beta ( not as loud rounder not as harsh and aggresive attack) and his flumpet is similar to Curry tf. All with a b4 ish rim.

nyctrumpeter · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject:

If you can handle the smaller diameter, the Marcinkiewicz Shew 1 cup is fantastic. I use the Ingram but made .10" shallower and it's more of a flat bottom cup and gives the sound a real kick. I guess similar to the slap cup in a way when the cup depth was brought up. The original Ingram is more V-eed and the Shew is flatter.

Mike Trahan · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject:

Yeah thats closet to what i'm talkin about! The kicker is that i'm a pretty big lipped player, that can play pretty shallow mouthpieces, but my sweet spot diameter is a little bigger than the b4 rim, curry's 70 rim really. I have a usable double c on his 70m and s, just want a little more side to side compression. Unless im thinking abou this the wrong way?

nyctrumpeter · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:47 pm Post subject:

You mean a narrower diameter? I'm not that familiar with the Curry's. The Shew is like a Giard 10S. You can also get a Shew 1 in the Concert Hall line, which the outer shape is a different acoustic design, not heavier but makes the sound do something different from what I can tell. Works well on picc. I prefer the light blanks. I also play a custom piece that is smaller and shallower than the Shew 1 and has a different backbore that just screams. I have a Calicchio copy as a backup. As well I'm going to cut my other spare custom with a different backbore and have it cut along with another piece with the backbore I need to make a 2 piece custom piece for optimum performance with my horn.

nyctrumpeter · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject:

Sounds crazy, right?

Mike Trahan · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:59 pm Post subject:

Wider diameter. 1.5c ish. But the highpoint is in the middle of the rim its pretty round and it has a pretty soft bite. Who did the original work, Marcinkiewicz? Sounds like your RREEALLY efficient. Shallower than a shew 1? sheesh lol

B. Scriver · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:57 am Post subject:

The GR S-B and M-B Series was designed for players who need compression but who engage more lip in the cup than most smaller volume mouthpieces can take. It is just another tool, not a trend. Bottom line is if your mouthpiece can not pass the playing tests, it is not for you.

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Mike Trahan · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:14 am Post subject:

Sorry I really didnt mean it like "trend" but more of a tool that a lot of manufacturers are starting to make. Just an observance of similarities. In fact gr's sz cup maybe just the idea I'm after. A medium high alpha with a z beta. What are the playing tests you speak of? I aslo see that stork can pump their mouthpieces, by increasing volume at certain spots. So technically a stork pumped 2d may be shallower than stork a 2c but have nearly the same if not more volume. Voila slapness! Maybe I should just leave this thread alone. lol

DCB1 · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:31 am Post subject:

I have a couple Mt. Vernon Bach pieces that would qualify as "slap". I like them a lot.

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Mark Curry · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1095

Mike,

I can make a 70M or S with a little more side-to-side compression for you.

I've made a few like what you're speaking of with the 70 rim. I've made the 70DE, 70Z (low alpha, or soft undercut), to name a couple.

The devil is in the details here:

How far do I need to go? Too soft and you bottom out.

I wouldn't go any higher than the alpha angle on the stock 70M or S for certain. But maybe "halfway" would work.

PM me.

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B. Scriver · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:29 pm Post subject: