Kanstul copper bell flugel

Arthur A. Molitierno · New Member Joined: 29 Apr 2009 Posts: 1

Does anyone have any experience palying a copper bell Kanstul flugel horn?

I am interested in a used horn and would appreciate any comments sent to me

amolitierno@att.net.

Thanks,

Art

HERMOKIWI · Heavyweight Member Joined: 24 Dec 2008 Posts: 2581

It doesn't get any better than the Kanstul 1525 flugelhorn. Equaled? Maybe. Surpassed? No way.
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TBDBITLER · Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject:

Arthur, I've played a Kanstul 1525 copper-belled flugel in a brass band for the past 10 years. They're nice horns and sound and play great but the bell is somewhat fragile and it's hard to find a hard case for them since the bell is larger than standard.
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oliver king · Heavyweight Member Joined: 07 Aug 2008 Posts: 1742

I've a 1XXX ser Kanstul copper belled flugel. It is the best flugel I've ever played. The valves are like BUTTUH. Great sound (.413 I think) bore ... just enough resistance. It is a great horn.
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gigolaw · Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 5:22 am Post subject:

I had a new one for about one month. The sound, mechanical characteristics, construction, intonation and apearance were just outsanding. I sold it because the bell is too fragile and there were two dents already.

My New York Trumpet Co, Stage 1 California Flugelhorn has a cooper bell, solid like stone. The most in tune trumpet-flugelhorn that I have seen. As to the sound, you will falll in love inmediately.
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Yamahaguy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 3992

I used to own a 1525...it's true the bell is on the fragile side, but the sound is richly dark. A little too tubby for me, but nice horn.

BRSpringer · Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:41 am Post subject:

I have a 925 w/ a copper bell. Been playing it for 17 years. Used to play a Couesnon Paris model, but once I got the Kanstul, I started getting compliments on my sound. Great horn.

Barry

TIMBERLINE · Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject:

I have played several of the 1525's and it seemed like each one was better than the last. I really wish I could have gotten the 1525 rather than the Getzen 4 valve. The Getzen is a great flugel, but the 1525 has the sound I love in a flugel.

Flattergrub · Heavyweight Member Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 762

Art - ya might want to check these out also.

http://www.dillonmusic.com/HeleoCart/ProductPage/AC156R.aspx

Have gotten rave reviews and who is to argue with Nakariakov

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkGiLLTl5A

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tom turner · Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Kanstul copper bell flugel

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mcahynuacrkd · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 1149

I recently tried to sell my lovely , gorgeous totally rebuilt Kanstul 1525 flugelhorn for a very reasonable price ( about $500 less than I had in it) here in the TH, then on eBay so that I could buy a trumpet that I really wanted and nobody even took a bite.

I was unable to get the trumpet that I wanted.

I waited over a year to get that horn refinished right. It was a beautiful white/silver satin with 24 k gold trim. The inside bell was even 24 k gold. No sale. I guess I will just keep the Kanstul 1525.

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Riojazz · Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject:

Last time I was at Dillon's, there were two Kanstul copper 1525s on the used wall. Check with them.
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Dan O'Donnell · Heavyweight Member Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 2287

I've been playing a Silver plated Besson Brevete by Kanstul (.413 bore) for about (20) years and have NEVER played a better Flugelhorn than it until now.

I play tested Kanstul's 1525 MANY times and because so many great things have been written about the horn and so many credible players are playing it...I "tried" to "force" myself to like it.

For ME...every time I played it...it sounded too "wide" / "dispersed" / "Trombonish" for ME...maybe due to the larger bell???

About a month ago, I play tested Kanstul's 925 (same specifications as the Besson Brevete if I am not mistaken) with a 6" Copper bell and IMMEDIATELY loved it...WITHOUT TRYING!!!

Last week, I purchased one and have been extremely THRILLED with its playability, tone quality & intonation!

Today, I played it with our churches Praise Band and wished I would have invested in one much sooner!

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markp · Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 7:42 am Post subject:

"Yellow brass--standard 1525?"

I didn't know there was a such thing. I never see them offered for sale. Do they still make them?

Can anyone provide a link to a place that sells them?

I also found the copper-bell 1525 to be a little too tubby and trombonish.

shofarguy · Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 7:47 am Post subject:

KanstulBrass · Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 8:13 am Post subject:

"Fragile" is a relative term. The copper bell is .020" thickness, and our bells are hand hammered, hand spun and work-hardened. Yes, copper is a bit softer than brass, so one should take care with it. As well, the flugel is often at risk because of its odd size, or placement on the bandstand.

Ultimately, just as one wouldn't play the flugel like a trumpet, one shouldn't necessarily handle a flugel like a trumpet. Consider this when inserting mutes, or placing it on a stand or in a gig bag.

"Tubby" is a term (along with "tromboney") that we've heard now and then. Remember, the flugel horn is traditionally a small bore instrument (and therefore more efficient) so less effort is required to play. Overplaying can indeed cause a tromboney or tubby sound. The 1525 is already warm and dark, so a very large mouthpiece will magnify this, possibly resulting in a tubby or tromboney sound.

The Kanstul 1525 Signature flugel is arguably the best flugel horn in the world, and its reputation as a quality professional instrument is solid.
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KanstulBrass · Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 8:18 am Post subject:

PiCK Kanstul · Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 8:22 am Post subject:

My 1525 is several years old. played a bunch of gigs with it. It has no dents and i have no dreams of a 'better' flugel. easy to play. excellent intonation, love the sound. no blending issues. still loving mine!! .

Dan O'Donnell · Heavyweight Member Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 2287

For clarification purposes...

I too believe the 1525 is a great horn (playability, intonation etc.), it's just MY personal preference...meaning...I liked MY sound with MY current mouthpiece better on the 925 than MY sound with MY current mouthpiece on the 1525.

If you listen to Dan Oxley playing his 1525, he has a great sound...HIS sound is not "tubby" nor "Trombonish"

As for the 1025...according to Kanstul's web-site...the only difference from a 925 is the taper on the leadpipe for the mouthpiece???

Charles...Please chime in and help to educate us!!!

Note: I will miss you on Memorial Day!
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