piccolo mouthpieces

ShasUi · New Member Joined: 30 Dec 2006 Posts: 4 Location: Maine

I am getting into piccolo trumpets now for solo and brass quintet works. I was wondering what kind of mouthpiece would you recommend for this.
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http://www.mouthpieceexpress.com/specshub/piccolo_mpc_guide.html
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L.A.Trpt · Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject:

Two of the most common are the Bach 7E and Schilke 11Ax.

Personally, I'm partial to the Schilke 11Ax, but it's very much a matter of subjective preference among these and many other good choices.

Don Herman rev2 · Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject:

For that sort of work, unless you really want/need to be "cutting", I would suggest something Schilke but with a "B" cup, or similar from Curry or others. I personally find the Schilke A and Bach E cups a bit too bright and piercing for me... Mark Curry is awesome and can send you a few to try out to dial it in.
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Christian K. Peters · Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 2:24 pm Post subject: Piccolo Mouthpieces

Hello all,
I played on a 11Ax for many years, now a 11Bx. I feel that it gives me a warmer tone. My friend plays a Bach 10.5C on his. Two opinions

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Roy · Veteran Member Joined: 09 Nov 2003 Posts: 334

FWIW the Laskey "picc" mouthpiece works for me.

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spitvalve · Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject:

A lot depends on the specific piccolo you play. Bigger bores like the Schilke and the Yamaha long bell will require a different approach than peashooters like the Selmer or Bach pics. I played a Getzen Eterna (.420" bore)piccolo for ten years, and found the most success on mouthpieces that were not too much unlike what I used on my Bb and C trumpets. Sometimes I used a shallower cup, but tried to keep the rim the same. Early on I tried to use lead-type mouthpieces like the 14A4a, but I got the best results with middle-of-the road pieces in the Bach 3C/Schilke 14-15 range.

When you test a mouthpiece on piccolo, more than anything you need to check and see if the octaves are in tune. Any problems that a mouthpiece causes on a standard trumpet are magnified like crazy on the pic. Once you find a comfortable cup it's a matter of finding the right backbore--too tight and you'll have flat high notes, too open and you'll be sharp.

Good luck and have fun on your safari--the ultimate combination for you is out there, and the more informed you can be going in, the less frustrating it will be.
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wvtrumpet · Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject:

I wrestled with this for a while myself a few years back. I always used a piccolo mouthpiece that was the same size as my Bb and C trumpet mp; a 1.25C. Then I got to thinking about the fact that I am working way to hard. So I began the quest to find a piccolo mp. I tried Curry's, Blacks, and Bach's. All very fine mouthpiece but I found the Bach 7DW to work best for me. I found the tone to be a bit bright so I had one made up in a monette configuration with the 7DW and a 117 backbore (kanstul did the work for me). I love it!

I suggest doing some experimenting and trying to find something that works for you. I tried about 8 or so mp's before I found this one. It can get pricey, but most of the dealers like Dillons etc will allow you to have a trial period. Best of luck, Neil
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pedaltonekid · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1711

It will depend somewhat on your regular mouthpiece (Bb/C). I like something slightly smaller in rim diameter for the piccolo trumpet. The best combination I have found is the schilke B4X adapated to a reasonable rim. For me I play a 17 diameter on Bb/C/Eb and a 14 on the piccolo.
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robertgrier · Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:05 am Post subject:

I really like the Stork picc mpcs. Iplay their 7P on my Selmer picc. and I do a lot of picc. playing.
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Jerry · Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:52 am Post subject:

I think asking this question about piccolo mouthpieces is similar to asking questions about Bb mouthpieces: what works for one might not work for another.

I think you're going to have to try some. Try starting with a Bach or a Schilke because they work for many and are fairly inexpensive.

FWIW: a GR 64 P works great for me on a Schilke P5-4. My teacher sounds great using a Bach 7E on a Schilke P5-4.

trumphat · Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:27 am Post subject:

The first pic mpc. I used was a Schilke 11B that I played on my Selmer 4 valve - horn and mpc. were stolen about 6 years ago. Got a Yamaha small 4 valve as a replacement and started out with a Yamaha 7A4 heavy top. I also played a Bach 7D and 7E. About a month ago I tried a Kelly Screamer that I have used occasionally for lead work in the pic. The plastic takes the edge off the pic and the feel and response are very good. I also like the balance of the horn better with the plastic mpc. The comments on the sound are all favorable. Try it - you'll be surprised.

robertgrier · Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:35 am Post subject:

Kelly mpc come stock with a #24 throat. The other mpcs come stock with a #27 throat. I've found that the larger throats work very well on picc.
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schalltrichterauf · Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject:

Piccolo playing is such an individualized task, taking advice from others is of limited value. It's best to try a bunch and choose what works best for you and your particular horn.

If you have the time and money, my own recommendation would be to have a session with a GR consultant -- this way you'll have a pro who can help you try a large number of mouthpieces and quickly narrow the field to the one that works best for you.
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