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janet842 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 570 Location: Denver metro area
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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OK, so lets hear the difference...
Someone post a recording so we can hear both: Flip's Deep "V" Cup mouthpiece and then the Extreme Flugelhorn mouthpiece!
Words on a page don't convey enough, I need tunes! |
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qcm Heavyweight Member
Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 1281 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Brian/Flip,
Is the throat size on the Extreme Mouthpiece also a 13 like it is on the regular flugel pieces?
BTW, I'm LOVING my Flip Oakes 5 cornet mouthpiece. I'll be using it on Easter to play Schubert's 'Ave Maria'. Cornet, flugel and picc, interesting combination of horns to play for the gig.
-Dave _________________ Dave Edwards
Kanstuls, LA Benges and a Selmer picc. |
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Flip Oakes Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2002 Posts: 532 Location: Oceanside, CA USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Dave,
No the throat size on the New Flip Oakes Wild Thing Extreme Flugel Mpc. series, is larger then a #1, but not as large as 1/4”. But do not let that scare you, as it plays and sounds fantastic! There is nothing like it... For the serious 'Flugelhorn soloists.
http://www.flipoakes.com/mouthpieces.htm
All The Best,
Flip Oakes
Flip Oakes
“Wild Thing Trumpets”
COME AND HEAR THE DIFFERENCE
http://www.flipoakes.com
“To read what Wild Thing Owners say about their horns, click on this”
http://www.flipoakes.com/testimonials.htm
Flip Oakes
2559 Mottino Dr.
Oceanside, Ca. 92056-3421
760-643-1501
760-643-1511 Fax
To Hear the Flip Oakes Wild Thing Trumpet go to
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 7013 Location: AZ
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:06 am Post subject: |
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janet842 wrote: | OK, so lets hear the difference...
Someone post a recording so we can hear both: Flip's Deep "V" Cup mouthpiece and then the Extreme Flugelhorn mouthpiece!
Words on a page don't convey enough, I need tunes! |
Janet,
I'll look into having someone record tomorrow's service. I'll be using the new X-3 and flugelhorn to play some improvised lines around the soloist on Revelation Song. It's in a sports areana, so I can't promise anything.
Then, after Easter, I'll try to get a comparison sound clip done so you can hear what a true amateur sounds like on both pieces!
Brian _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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chuck in ny Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 3597 Location: New York
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Mark Curry wrote: | to all:
Just a note to let you know that I'll be shipping the second batch of the Xtreme WT french shank flugel pieces to Flip on Monday (the first batch I shipped are all sold!)
These will have the slightly smaller shank (1 thou smaller) to avoid the "too tight" fitting problems some of you may have had.
The re-designed small and large morse tapers will follow a few days after I get the french tapers shipped. These were a little tricky to design- the shanks should fit almost to the very end of the taper. In some cases, the taper may fit a little further than that (not much I hope).
This close fitting is meant to provide a little pull or push on the tuning bit- so there's a little bit of leeway when you're playing cool weather gigs or rehearsals.
HTH
MC |
mark,
much thanks for providing these in the morse tapers. every flugel player should have the opportunity of finding out how smooth and sweet they are... chuck |
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Dan O'Donnell Heavyweight Member
Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 2287
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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(Extracted from one of my responses regarding the Wild Thing Flugelhorn)
"As for the "Vortex of Terror" MP, I tried it on my Kanstul 925 W/ Copper Bell Flugelhorn...
The throat is HUGE and the cup is both wide and deep.
Due to the massive volume in the cup, I thought I would have to work my chops harder on higher notes...I was wrong.
Those notes flowed as nice as the middle and bottom range notes.
The sound was similar to my "Woody" to me behind the bell and...this was also confirmed by a listener in front of the bell.
I think where the MP out played the "Woody" would be its projection.
As many of you might know, wooden cup MPs do not project as well as Brass MPs therefore they are more favored for use when recording."
In closing, the "Vortex of Terror" Flugelhorn MP is certainly a winner! _________________ God Bless,
Dan O'Donnell
"Praise Him with the sound of the Trumpet:..."
Psalms 150:3 |
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butxifxnot Heavyweight Member
Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 2353
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Just got mine in. 1.5
At first, I was kinda worried that the piece went SO far into the taper of my flugel, but it fits snugly enough with a light pressure/twist.
Put simply, this piece is fantastic.
>It's very deep yet extremely easy to play.
>The sound is velvety without sounding muffled.
>It plays in tune! I use a Dillon Flugel which has several hot notes (e.g. the worst is middle C is literally 20 cents sharp). With this thing, even that note registered in the 5+- range on the tuner.
>The high register is easy (as far as flugel mouthpieces go). It does not cut out in the upper register at all.
Thanks for the plug, Brian! And congrats to Flip and Mark on this new design.
-Pete _________________ "Never practice, always perform."
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EdMann Heavyweight Member
Joined: 31 Mar 2007 Posts: 2481 Location: The Big Valley
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Not sure if this is the mpc that Sandoval plays with his flugel, but I heard him play an extended solo at Vibrato here in LA the other night and it sounded like a french horn meets flugel meets cornet, just the most unique, velvet sound I've heard, and from a guy who can play as bright as a lead player. Tangentally, he has worked on some new styles of playing that I've not heard from him, some crazy harmonics and use of pedal tones. Even the guys in the band were saying, "any questions?"
Yes. Many.
ed |
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crzytptman Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Sep 2003 Posts: 10124 Location: Escondido California
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:24 am Post subject: |
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I know he had one of the original ones that Flip had carved out of a trumpet mouthpiece. His use of it on the gig here in San Diego is what started the whole thing. Not sure if he has a production model. _________________ Crazy Nate - Fine Yet Mellow Fellow
"so full of it I don't know where to start"
Horn: "just mismatched Kanstul spare parts"
- TH member and advertiser (name withheld) |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 7013 Location: AZ
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: |
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I just heard from Flip. He is on his way to Three Rivers through LA traffic (slowly) to a jazz festival there.
He wanted me to make sure everyone knew that Arturo is playing the new Extreme Flugelhorn mouthpiece. His is a number 3 just like mine. I guess that means I sound like Arturo, right???
Arturo was given one of, if not the first Vortex-style mouthpiece Flip ever made. It started as a trumpet mouthpiece. His comment to Flip was that the Extreme plays so much better, and that there is really nothing like it anywhere else.
I wish I'd been there at the Vibrato, last Tuesday!
Brian _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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slider Regular Member
Joined: 19 Mar 2011 Posts: 14
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Any thoughts on how well this Wild Thing Extreme might work with a Kanstul 150 soprano trombone that has a copper bell and French-taper flugelhorn leadpipe? I'm curious to try it but am interested in the thoughts of some here before shelling out some non-refundable money....
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Locutus2k Heavyweight Member
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 635 Location: Rome, Italy
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:02 am Post subject: |
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Mark Curry wrote: | They really Do Have a Sound!
MC |
Dear Mr. Curry: i'm accustomed to Curry #2 rims on both trumpet and flugelhorn and would like to try out a WT Extreme piece.
Since WT mouthpieces are not available in the #2 rims what do you suggest that it would be the closest match? I like flat/semi flat rims, especially on flugel.
Thank you,
Luigi _________________ ------------------------
Edwards X-13
Lawler TL5 Balanced 30th Anniversary (#2 of 5)
Lawler TL5 L bore
Bach NY Special edition 2008
Flugel Van Laar Oiram Ack
Mark Curry mouthpieces
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 7013 Location: AZ
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:42 am Post subject: |
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slider wrote: | Any thoughts on how well this Wild Thing Extreme might work with a Kanstul 150 soprano trombone that has a copper bell and French-taper flugelhorn leadpipe? I'm curious to try it but am interested in the thoughts of some here before shelling out some non-refundable money....
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I'm only a little familiar with the 150 model. I was not aware that it has a French taper mouthpipe. Is that a custom fit? It sounds like you had one made special with a copper bell and that mouthpipe.
I really don't have any idea how it would play or sound. The mouthpiece works very well in a .415" bore flugelhorn, but it often takes a person some time to acclimate to the change in air stream.
Why don't you try Flip's standard WT flugelhorn mouthpiece?
Brian _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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slider Regular Member
Joined: 19 Mar 2011 Posts: 14
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:47 am Post subject: |
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shofarguy wrote: | I'm only a little familiar with the 150 model. I was not aware that it has a French taper mouthpipe. Is that a custom fit? It sounds like you had one made special with a copper bell and that mouthpipe.
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Yes. The copper bell and French-taper mouthpipe were special requests. The French-taper mouthpipe was directly from Kanstul and not an aftermarket fit.
shofarguy wrote: | I really don't have any idea how it would play or sound. The mouthpiece works very well in a .415" bore flugelhorn, but it often takes a person some time to acclimate to the change in air stream.
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The bore on this 150 is .460" (for comparison, the bore on Kanstul's 725 flugelhorn with French-taper is .453"). My primary instrument has been (am I allowed to say it here?) trombone, so I suppose there's a chance it might not be as big of a change for me?
shofarguy wrote: | Why don't you try Flip's standard WT flugelhorn mouthpiece?
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Are there any resellers that offer a trial on Wild Thing mouthpieces? When ordering direct, I don't have any trial options, so if a guess on this is wrong, I'm going to be out the money and stuck with it....
I appreciate the feedback.
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 7013 Location: AZ
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Slider,
Flip only sells direct. That said, many of his customers will let you try their personal products. I have arranged personal demonstrations for people in the past, myself. Where are you located? Perhaps there are FO customers nearby.
Brian _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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veery715 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 4313 Location: Ithaca NY
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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slider wrote: | Any thoughts on how well this Wild Thing Extreme might work with a Kanstul 150 soprano trombone that has a copper bell and French-taper flugelhorn leadpipe? I'm curious to try it but am interested in the thoughts of some here before shelling out some non-refundable money....
Thank you! | Which size Extreme would you want to try? _________________ veery715
Hear me sing!: https://youtu.be/vtJ14MV64WY
Playing trumpet - the healthy way to blow your brains out. |
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slider Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Going by the Bach sizes for a moment, I like something at least as large as a Bach 1, if not a little more (perhaps because I'm used to playing on larger mouthpieces). Everything else being equal, translating that to the Wild Things size chart would put me right about on a #FO.
I'm near Pittsburgh, PA.
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veery715 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I would lend you mine via mail to try, but I am at the opposite end of the specturm with a 10.5. Oh well... _________________ veery715
Hear me sing!: https://youtu.be/vtJ14MV64WY
Playing trumpet - the healthy way to blow your brains out. |
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fraserhutch Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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It is unfortunate that there is no way to try before you buy - I bought a fl5 from Flip a while back and the shank was too short for my Wild Thing flugel and I could not get the pitch high enough to be useful.
A dead piece of metal sitting in a box. I love his horns, it's true... _________________ Schilke B1
Callet Jazz
Scodwell Standard Bb
Roger Ingram 1600is
Wild Thing Flugel
Dillon Rotary Picc.
GR and Curry Mouthpieces |
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crzytptman Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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What did he say? _________________ Crazy Nate - Fine Yet Mellow Fellow
"so full of it I don't know where to start"
Horn: "just mismatched Kanstul spare parts"
- TH member and advertiser (name withheld) |
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