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Jay2015trumpet
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:26 am    Post subject: Brass valve guides for B+S Challenger II/Schmidt MK 37 Reply with quote

Hello fellow trumpeters,

Does anyone know where to buy brass valve guides for B+S Challenger/Challenger stencil trumpets? Thanks!
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Joe Manzanares
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe Bach brass valve guides would fit if they are the correct dimensions. Here is some searching I did that may be able to help you.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! I'll try Osmun music.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 for using Osmun Music.
The gentlemen that work there are the best and will definitely take care of you.
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James Becker
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have bad news and good news.

First, Bach valve guides WILL NOT fit a B&S without some filing by hand and even then are not a good match.

However, Yamaha brass valve guides, though not perfect, require no modification to fit B&S. The narrow side engages the casing very well, however the wide side is a bit narrower than the B&S nylon guides, but seem to work without any complications.

We have Yamaha brass valve guides in stock in sets of three. Perhaps we'll need to stock more if we get more inquiries.

I hope this is helpful.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked Charlie Melk the same question a few years ago and he said there were no brass guides available.

Do brass guides really make a difference?

Kent
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James Becker
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all depends on what kind of response you're looking for.

I find brass guides provide greater feed back to player and a bit more focus and shimmer to the sound. On light weight trumpets the effect can be more striking, especially high trumpets which only require one brass guide in the 3rd valve (4th on piccolo).

The beauty of it all is you can mix and match brass and nylon guides to taste.

I hope this is helpful.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oxleyk wrote:
I asked Charlie Melk the same question a few years ago and he said there were no brass guides available.

Do brass guides really make a difference?

Kent


A few months back I switched the plastic valve guides to metal ones on my '90s Bach Strad. I noticed a difference, for sure. Subtle, but there. I would describe it as increased resonance.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's worth pointing out the Yamaha 8335LA does not have brass valve guides like all the other 8000 series professional model trumpets. Apparently Yamaha's version of Bach LT180ML72 supplied with standard nylon valves guides is acceptable to Wayne Bergeron.

Again, it comes down to one's personal taste and what works for YOU.

Viva la difference!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the replies guys!
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Irving
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt that Bach guides would fit a Challenger since nothing else Bach seems to fit. They made sure that none of their parts were compatible with Bach.
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