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cinci-sop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Mar 2009 Posts: 631 Location: Cincinnati, Oh
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Crazy Finn wrote: | cinci-sop wrote: | Crazy Finn wrote: |
Today I found this. Damn horn flippers. Let those of us who actually want to play them, have a chance. |
I couldn't agree more. It's a shame that these people are out just to make a quick buck. I know, I know, Free enterprise, if you wanted it that bad you could have out bid him..... Still isn't right in my opinion. |
Well, yes, I could have bid more. I admit, I wanted a bargain. I don't mind losing, and I'm not really sad (anymore) that I lost at that price.
Basically, I just find it ridiculous that he's taking the same horn, adding a flimsy gig bag and trying to sell it for $300 more. It's just sleazy, that's all. |
It’s not the loosing that sucks, I’ve lost more than I’ve won (Good thing to or my wife would kill me ) We all want a bargain. I decide what the max amount I am going to spend and if I win great, if not so be it. I figure somebody else wants/needs it more than I do and I hope they enjoy it. It just really sucks to loose it to some schmuck that just wants to flip it to make a buck. _________________ Besson Sovereign 924R Eb Cornet - Stork 3SC
Besson Sovereign 928 Bb Cornet - Stork 3A
Lawler SA Cornet
Schilke B5 Trumpet - Stork 3B |
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ProAm Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 949
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supportlivejazz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 3757
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:30 am Post subject: |
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What a load of crap this thread has produced. EBAY is a public auction. You want something then bid higher than the other bidders. That's the way auctions work. What the end buyer (HIGHEST BIDDER... which apparently was not you) does with the horn he owns (because he was willing to bid the most) is none of my business... or yours. You want to post your sadness that you did not win, your regret that you couldn't or wouldn't bid higher, that's fine. To criticize the buyer who was willing to plunk down more cash than you is embarrassing. I flip horns all the time. I see a horn going for less than it should I'm on it and I sometimes sell it within a week on the same auction site from whence it came. I MAKE MONEY ON IT shocking. And with that money, I buy horns that I will play and do keep. I also have over 1200 all positive feedbacks from folks who have bought from me and who were really happy with what they bought and what they bought it for. I also pay bills, buy kids and grandkids presents, eat sushi and travel to NOLA using some of that cash. So what? If I am courageous enough to be willing to bid more than you and anyone else, then, in an auction, I win the item and it's mine to keep or sell or wire up and make a lamp of.
C'mon kids. You want the trumpet, bid higher. But don't complain because you thought you were going to get a bargain and figured no-one would go that extra $50 or $500 and beat your bid. _________________ Conn 6B
1940s Blessing Artist
Olds LA Special Model Cornet
"I'm not apologizing, I am what I am. There'll be no compromising, I don't give a damn." |
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 7770 Location: Des Moines, IA area
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Finally, someone who gets it.
I think what the pissers and moaners around here are really saying is that they couldn't come up with the scratch to buy some of these deals even at half the price some of us pay. Buying anything that is a bargain with the intention of trying to turn a profit if it doesn't suit our purposes is a risk, just as any worthwhile investment is. There is absolutely no guarantee that one will be able to make money on anything when time that it sits in the closet/on the shelf is concerned. Consider also the other ways money could've been made on the money that is now tied up in a horn, costs to advertise/commissions to Ebay and other sellers, not to mention often times cleaning and fixing little problems that weren't exactly spelled out in the original purchase. In the final analysis (and spelling that correctly always begins with "anal"), bitching about not having the money available and someone else being able to take advantage of a situation is no road to bettering one's self. I was not always in the position to be able to purchase collectible firearms, horns and many other trinkets with money I am carrying around regularly- I made some significant sacrifices earlier in life to be able to arrive here. I suggest those who would like to be in this position and who do not have rich relatives do likewise. To have someone come along and cry because they can't do the same when they're probably sitting on piles of things they don't need, eat out every meal and owe a huge credit card debt, among other things is a sad tribute to the understanding of how economics really work. |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8335 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Craig Swartz wrote: | Finally, someone who gets it.
...To have someone come along and cry because they can't do the same when they're probably sitting on piles of things they don't need, eat out every meal and owe a huge credit card debt, among other things is a sad tribute to the understanding of how economics really work. |
Now - several weeks later, I actually agree with you. I'm done whining.
I just buy things because I'm going to use them, not to flip them. I don't really collect. I've never sold a horn in my life, because I don't buy many. It's not because I can't, but because I don't need that many. A trumpet that plays in D would have filled a small role, but one that's not very important or urgent. Not important or urgent enough to throw much money at, anyway.
Ebay is free to be used by collectors and players and flippers alike. I try to score a bargain now and then, and usually I fail. When I do succeed - it's a bargain. That's fine.
I understand economic just fine. If I had stretched out my college career, I probably would have ended up with a minor - but since it didn't seem very relevant or useful, I didn't bother. I don't buy bunches of horns I don't need. I don't remember the last time I ate out. I haven't had any credit card debt, ever - even in college, where my checking account often vacillated between two and three digits.
So - I got overexcited about a deal I really should have known I wouldn't land (at my price, anyway). That's really a terrible crime. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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plp Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 7023 Location: South Alabama
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Sometimes the deals really aren't. I have a bunch that were junk when they were listed, are junk today, and would still be junk after I sunk a chunk in restoration.
If I had passed on them instead of giving in to N+1, I could buy that brand new Chicago 1070 I've lusted over for the past year. _________________ Since all other motives—fame, money, power, even honor—are thrown out the window the moment I pick up that instrument..... I play because I love doing it, even when the results are disappointing. In short, I do it to do it.” Wayne Booth |
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 7770 Location: Des Moines, IA area
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:39 am Post subject: |
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http://www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=26242&s=Blackburn-C-Trumpet
Ads such as this should draw more ire than someone turning a profit on a good bargain. Again, as with bargain prices, if it cost money to list ads here people wouldn't be saying, in essence: "I've got a really expensive horn here that I don't need and if there's someone out there who'd give me a butt-load of money for it, I might sell it." The other obvious ploy is to get free appraisals. |
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supportlivejazz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 3757
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Craig Swartz wrote: | http://www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=26242&s=Blackburn-C-Trumpet
Ads such as this should draw more ire than someone turning a profit on a good bargain. Again, as with bargain prices, if it cost money to list ads here people wouldn't be saying, in essence: "I've got a really expensive horn here that I don't need and if there's someone out there who'd give me a butt-load of money for it, I might sell it." The other obvious ploy is to get free appraisals. | Trumpetmaster and my surf casting sites all require a price to be posted in the ads. Not a bad idea. At least he didn't post it here in the Horns Forum like some do. _________________ Conn 6B
1940s Blessing Artist
Olds LA Special Model Cornet
"I'm not apologizing, I am what I am. There'll be no compromising, I don't give a damn." |
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Greenleaf Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 536
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: |
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plp wrote: | Sometimes the deals really aren't. I have a bunch that were junk when they were listed, are junk today, and would still be junk after I sunk a chunk in restoration.
If I had passed on them instead of giving in to N+1, I could buy that brand new Chicago 1070 I've lusted over for the past year. |
New horns can be bought any day of the week. What is a piece of a legend worth? Who cares if it's not as tight or shiny as it used to be?
Sunk a chunk in junk? Come on man!!! You know you LOVE those old horns! One man's junk . . . _________________
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