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knatterbock Veteran Member
Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 183
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Need informations on those horns: are they worth the price (around 500 $ new)? Who is experienced in playing this model? Need it as busy amateur player! What are your comments?
Are there other low budget piccolos? Recently I've seen a "Diamond" model at ebay for 200$: are they better wallhangers or serious instruments?
Best regards from Germany |
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pfrank Heavyweight Member
Joined: 21 Feb 2002 Posts: 3523 Location: Boston MA
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Junk! Feels like it is made of aluminium-foil and the intonation, well I didn't get that far.
I saw these toys at a store on Cape Ann MA called Dominic's Music. He sells on e-bay quite a bit and I got his address and took a pleasure drive to check out what I thought might be another brass resourse in MA. What a revelation it was! Dominic pressured me to buy an Amati pocket trumpet that moment, he made me feel quite uncomfortable. All the Amatis and Moniques he had were worthless as instruments, (I managed to try a few while under his gaze) and I feel he is a rip-off artist if he ever sells one of these to a young person. He also sells Holton products, so not everything he sells is junk, but it doesn't matter to me. Worst experience for me in any kind of store, let alone a music store.
The day was saved though by a visit to a real castle on the coast up the road from Dominic's. Some rich capitalist in the 19th century had a castle shiped to and reconstructed on the shores of Cape Ann. That helped dissapate the smell of dealing with Dominic... |
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_PhilPicc Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2002 Posts: 2286 Location: Clarkston, Mi. USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:48 am Post subject: |
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NOT even good wall hangers. _________________ Philip Satterthwaite
We cannot expect you to be with us all the time, but perhaps you could be good enough to keep in touch now and again."
- Sir Thomas Beecham to a musician during a rehearsal |
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bgwbold Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 1405 Location: tejas
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:06 am Post subject: |
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The nearest price to that I have seen in a decent horn is the Getzen Capri picc which was only about 600 brand new a couple of years ago. It is three valve vs. 4 valve, but the one I played felt pretty good. I have never heard anything good about Amati.
Mike |
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_PhilPicc Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2002 Posts: 2286 Location: Clarkston, Mi. USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:35 am Post subject: |
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I would strongly recommend getting a 4 valve. If you get a 3 valve sooner or later, probably sooner, you will regret not having the fourth valve for the extended range and intonation options. _________________ Philip Satterthwaite
We cannot expect you to be with us all the time, but perhaps you could be good enough to keep in touch now and again."
- Sir Thomas Beecham to a musician during a rehearsal |
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AverageJoe Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 May 2002 Posts: 4116 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Knatterbock,
Welcome to the Herald! Amati is an insult to the material it is made out of (and that ain't saying much). I have a friend with a used Yamaha Custom (the old Custom -- short bell, like the current 6310S). He is selling it relatively close to the price range you are looking at, and it is VASTLY superior to anything you will find new for less than $1000. I think that everyone on the forum here will back me up on that.
I have played the horn, and it is very nice -- great intonation and even sound all through the registers. It has a little contact wear on the silver plating, but no dents. I can put you in touch with the owner if you want to contact him.
Paul Poovey |
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knatterbock Veteran Member
Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 183
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Hello Paul
thanks for your reply, yes I'm interested in that horn, please contact me via kraupe@yahoo.com.
Sincerely Peter |
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nextbrassguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Posts: 1428
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:22 am Post subject: |
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Check out the piccolo page on Jim Donaldson's web site at dallasmusic.org/gearhead/ Lot's of good advice there. Personally, I play a Yamaha 6810S with the Blackburn lead pipes. It's relatively inexpensive and works well for me. |
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David Oulton Veteran Member
Joined: 13 Jan 2002 Posts: 318 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
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pedaltonekid Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1711
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:43 am Post subject: |
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I have never played an Amati piccolo trumpet, but the very worst horn I have ever played was an Amati pocket cornet. |
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trumpetmike Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Posts: 11314 Location: Ash (an even smaller place ), UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:28 am Post subject: |
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I played one of these in the Amati shop, in Prague, last Summer.
I was in there with a fellow brass player (trombonist).
We played our way through their entire stock, ending up on piccolo trumpet and alto trombone.
We had to leave due to laughter.
Awful, terrible, diabolical, dire, waste of space - the descriptions just cannot do these instruments justice.
In case you need more advice (having already seen the same sort of thing given already)
AVOID
AVOID
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cujazztrpt Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Posts: 697 Location: Jacksonville,FL
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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How do they manage to stay in business?? Aren't they aware of this??Why can't they get expert help??? _________________ Playing music is better than playing notes!
www.soundclick.com/cujazztrpt |
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ZeroMan Heavyweight Member
Joined: 21 Jul 2002 Posts: 1112
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:09 am Post subject: |
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I've wondered about the same thing. Amati-Denak has been in business for a long time, if the information on their website is to be believed. |
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trumpetmike Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Posts: 11314 Location: Ash (an even smaller place ), UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Having been over to the Czech Republic I thought I might be able to shed a little light on how the firm are still going - ever tried getting hold of a Yamaha out there?
From what I gathered, the Amati instruments have quite a following in that country, due to them being local and (above all else) cheaper then imported instruments. You can pick up an Amati piccolo for the equivalent of about £300, whilst getting a Yamaha imported would be nearer £1400. I was only over there a few days, yet was stunned at the difference in the instruments I saw.
The Czech Republic is not a place where money is commonplace, Amati offer a very reasonably priced instrument. They may not be the greatest instruments in the world, but for the money (especially when in comparison to the brands we are used to) they are more available to the general public.
Sometimes we forget how lucky we are. People come on this forum and get told that they should buy Bach, Yamaha, Kanstul, Besson, Wild Thing, Eclipse etc - some people don't have the choice available to them.
Saying that, if you do have the choice - avoid Amati. |
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Zaphod Veteran Member
Joined: 12 Nov 2001 Posts: 355 Location: Aachen, Germany
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 9:00 am Post subject: |
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My Amati is OK - for the price (and I'm not the only one who says that, but maybe I'm a lucky exception). If I would be playing much piccolo stuff, I would get a "real" one, but for someone who is just finding his way into this instrument, it can be a good start (as you have to learn to play the piccolo trumpet before you can know what you want). In the end, it's the player, not the horn... _________________ One cannot expect to attain the highest point of exellence without hard work and perseverance.[...] Try to improve to some extent each day and to experience that satisfying pleasure in having conquered what at first seemed to be an impossibility! - Clarke |
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1B Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2002 Posts: 611 Location: oregon
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 9:22 am Post subject: |
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I played a friend's Amati picc once. It is the biggest piece of #### that I have ever played. There's a reason they are so cheap, and Schilkes are so expensive. You get what you pay for.
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