Easy way to learn Bebop?

[EdMann]

[thadjones1213]

No that is great! Taste buds = Ears, they are the key ingredient to that satisfaction, development of pallet, nuance, texture. The more you taste the more you know what you really like, and the more aspects you can appreciate and possibly duplicate in a very complex pallet meal/food/sauce.

Taste buds inform how you go forward.

[PH]

Jazz equals serious fun.

A paradox, not a contradiction.

Nonetheless, bebop is probably the most rigorous style of jazz. That's why it makes a great pedagogical tool, regardless of what styles you end up playing. It is kind of like baroque music in classical music study in that respect.
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[TrentAustin]

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Hmm study baroque I'm familiar with that style of music.

The books I have are
William bays complete jazz
12&3 of Dave bakers how to play Bebop.
Eric Bolvin's modern jazz trumpet method.

I'm struggling with the bebop books, since they are all disembodied snippets of bebop. At this stage I think I need a real I depth book or a damm good tutor or possibly both.

I do listen to Charlie and Dizzy, but I find it difficult to tune in on it. What they do is so far out there that I can't follow it line by line. I hear what theyare doing but I don't HEAR what they are doing. Does that make any sense?
I mean I can HEAR what Satchmo does and understand it and can replicate it, but Bebop is like an alien language and I don't have a Rosetta stone.
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[thadjones1213]

I totally understand what you are saying. And I want to first encourage you to not give up, keep digging in.

The Baker bebop books are great. What they are showing you are common uses and the function of supporting chord tones. I was introduced to those books before the Ligon book.

The second book which deals mainly with ii V language (lick after lick of D-7 to G7).

Most of those ideas start on the Root, 3rd, or 5th of the D minor chord and gravitate toward the 7th that resolves to the 3rd of G7(B) and descends the bebop scale and gravitates toward E which is the 3rd of C major (resolution).

This is the language. This is your rosettas stone.

You need to pick a tune or blues in a key you feel comfortable. Blue Mitchell's "Blues Theme" a rhythm change, or "Blue Soul" or "Bluesville" both blues.

Easy Heads, changes are pretty standard. Listen to those tunes a lot over and over and over.

Do you have Aebersolds or rhythm tracks to practice over? If not play over the rhythm section and solos on the recording of these tunes.

Try to play what Blue is playing. Play with him, memorize by ear what he is playing.

After you can do this, then maybe write the licks or sounds you really like out over the chords that they occur over. Now you can see what he is doing.

Dizzy is hard to hear for a while. I would listen to someone that plays medium swing tempos for a while until you make some progress.

Blue Mitchell, medium tempo Clifford: Joy Spring, Jordu, late Chet (steeplechase albums), Quiet Kenny, Lee Morgan Ceora.

Better to work on one tune all day then 20 tunes. It takes that kind of time for you to marinate in the context of those changes. Also once you can do something on one tune a lot of things transfer to other tunes. Be patient and persistent.

All the best

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"Most of those ideas start on the Root, 3rd, or 5th of the D minor chord and gravitate toward the 7th that resolves to the 3rd of G7(B) and descends the bebop scale and gravitates toward E which is the 3rd of C major (resolution). "

A
F D
Dm to B which is B
G G
E
C
That makes more sense to me.
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[Ed Kennedy]

Absolutely PAT! To quote Lee Konitz

"Before you play way out you need to play way in first!"

Joe Daley said the same thing. "Inside before outside."
Amusing anecdote:
In the early 70's Michael Brecker was in town (Chicago) and called up Joe for a lesson. He played for Joe and Joe told Michael that he couldn't teach him anything except ........ that he should explore playing "outside." But then, that was Michael Brecker.

[intrepidpooch]

[mcgovnor]

Listen to the great be-bop musicians, as well as those who are crossover from swing to be-bop..like Harry Edison, Coleman Hawkins, Ben Webster, Nat Cole, Billie Holiday, Lester Young, Count Basie's band...many more..be-bopers like Bird, Bud Powell, Fats, Early Miles, K.D.especially, early Coltrane..all to absorb holistically..the feeling and the flow, and get used to the harmony. Listen to the blues played by be-boppers..and begin transcribing, a chorus at a time, the easiest and most clear chorus's that speak to your need..what you need to know how to play. Sonny Stitt, Sonny Clarke, early Donald Bird spell out the alphabet of be-bop in an accessible way. Take piano lessons, so you can spell out a 2-5 with root-7 in the left hand and practice and absorb the best resolving lines and how they turn..without the horn in your face. Commit them to memory, sing them, and transpose them, mentally, into as many keys as possible. Then write them down, and play them on the horn. Go out and play at sessions, and learn to resolve the 2-5's on the blues. Learn what the b9, #9, #11, and 13 implies. Learn how to substitute the b5 imposed over the simple 2-5's you learned before, mentally, away from the horn. Then on the horn, and hear the notes. The more piano, the more ear and mental work and control, the better. Pick your stylist's..and emulate them a little..Freddie...Lee..early Miles..Kd..Stan Getz even..

[Kujo20]

[mcgovnor]

Oh, I forgot..steer clear of the play along books until later..until you need to look back, and define what it is you now can hear and duplicate(sing) and transpose and execute on the horn.

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[falado]

Give Rich Willey a call, PM, or e-mail. I had a lesson with him last year, was all day and was worth it. He gave me some insight and a lot of material to work on. He's a great guy too.
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I have a few spots in my Skype studio open if you're interested. You can check out my website, send me a PM or email through my website for more information.
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