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Don Herman rev2 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 8951 Location: Monument, CO
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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You are misunderstanding and misconstruing the intent and technique of BE. Nor does danduncan claim to be using BE. Lots of players have great range and power using BE. _________________ "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley |
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trumpetteacher1 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 3404 Location: Garland, Texas
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | The trouble with rolled-in high notes is that they lack gravitas. They are pinched-sounding, shallow, and have no body. |
My experience is, no matter how clear the evidence is to the contrary, a small percentage of people will still make the false claim that rolling in the lips is universally bad.
The context of how the rolling in is done, is everything. If you don't understand the BE context, you can easily reach a false conclusion.
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lakejw Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 543 Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Bluesy wrote: | The trouble with rolled-in high notes is that they lack gravitas. They are pinched-sounding, shallow, and have no body.
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Ever heard of Harry James? You'd be hard pressed to find a more full-bodied sound than that. _________________ New Album "ensemble | in situ" on Bandcamp
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veery715 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:21 am Post subject: |
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and false conclusions provide justification for not getting results. It is worth trying everything (ask Edison) to find something which does work, and it takes patience to know when that occurs.
The thing about BE is that it leads you through a variety of setups as you explore the possibilities. And some of those work for some players, others for others.
I need to break out that book again!
PS Mr. Duncan should learn that his intrusive marketing is only costing him in the long run. _________________ veery715
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lakejw Heavyweight Member
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Bluesy Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:37 am Post subject: |
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lakejw wrote: | Bluesy wrote: | The trouble with rolled-in high notes is that they lack gravitas. They are pinched-sounding, shallow, and have no body.
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Ever heard of Harry James? You'd be hard pressed to find a more full-bodied sound than that. |
How do you know HJ rolled in? Show some proof? _________________ Finally Beiderbecke took out a silver cornet. He put it to his lips and blew a phrase. The sound came out like a girl saying ‘yes.’. . . . .Eddie Condon/ |
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Bluesy Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Don Herman rev2 wrote: | You are misunderstanding and misconstruing the intent and technique of BE. Nor does danduncan claim to be using BE. Lots of players have great range and power using BE. |
Read my post again. I was not criticizing BE, but the thin, poorly developed altissimo that some get with rolled in lips, that's all. _________________ Finally Beiderbecke took out a silver cornet. He put it to his lips and blew a phrase. The sound came out like a girl saying ‘yes.’. . . . .Eddie Condon/ |
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veery715 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Bluesy wrote: | Don Herman rev2 wrote: | You are misunderstanding and misconstruing the intent and technique of BE. Nor does danduncan claim to be using BE. Lots of players have great range and power using BE. |
Read my post again. I was not criticizing BE, but the thin, poorly developed altissimo that some get with rolled in lips, that's all. | Many teachers have suggested that from a thin sound one can progress to a full sound, no? With no altissimo that idea becomes untenable. _________________ veery715
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trumpetplanet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:41 am Post subject: |
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Bluesy wrote: | Don Herman rev2 wrote: | You are misunderstanding and misconstruing the intent and technique of BE. Nor does danduncan claim to be using BE. Lots of players have great range and power using BE. |
Read my post again. I was not criticizing BE, but the thin, poorly developed altissimo that some get with rolled in lips, that's all. |
But in BE this is just an exercise, and part of the learning process...
For the most part these exercises, like the double pedals, are just introducing your body to the positions that are possible so that it can develop your own good embouchure by itself. _________________ UK-based professional trumpeter.
Proponent of the Superchops/TCE.
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Bluesy Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:17 am Post subject: |
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How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? _________________ Finally Beiderbecke took out a silver cornet. He put it to his lips and blew a phrase. The sound came out like a girl saying ‘yes.’. . . . .Eddie Condon/ |
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trumpetplanet Heavyweight Member
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