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bmazura
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:03 am    Post subject: cyclic breathing Reply with quote

Anyone have helpful hints for cyuclic breathing?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An excellent book on the subject is by clarinetist Robert Spring.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read the book, memorise the technique then get a straw and a glass of water.

Use the technique to blow into the straw, to create a continuous stream of bubbles.

Keep practising until the flow of air bubbles are the same rate and the bubbles are the same size.

Then move to the trumpet when you can achieve this.

Listen to the sound at the point at which you change from your resovoir of air in your throat and cheeks and back to lungs again. Aim for it to sound a smooth & continuous note.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Microblitz wrote:
Read the book, memorise the technique then get a straw and a glass of water.

Use the technique to blow into the straw, to create a continuous stream of bubbles.


I believe that the straw and water technique is the best way to start. I have taught several players that way. It is also a very good trick for bar bets.

I found the hardest part of the technique as applied to trumpet to be maintenance of support. I think that there is a tendancy to take very shallow breaths with bad results quickly following. Work hard at inhaling from down low -- the idea is not just to inflate your cheeks but to keep playing trumpet.

It is important to learn to do this smoothly while holding a single note, but in performance I almost always do it on a trill or during something like an eigth note run up a a mid-range scale.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is probably a dumb question but, what is cyclic breathing?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keeping an air pocket in your cheeks, releasing the air from it into the mouthpiece as you are inhaling through the nose into your lungs, then as you exhale from your lungs, filling the air pocket in your cheeks. Makes it appear that the air stream is (almost) uninterrupted by breathing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is most often called circular breathing. There are method books by Joe Burgstaller (a trumpeter) and Robert Spring (a clarinetist).
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! Sounds cool!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/Study/CircularBreathing.html

I haven't yet located the book mentioned above, but this looks to be a short intro to it by the same author.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll try it!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned circular breathing while driving my car in HS after clark Terry made an appearance with our band. I could see what he was doing and asked him about it. He demonstrated and I decided to learn how to do it.

Pretty simple- fill the cheeks with air, push out with the fingers and thumb of one hand while inhaling through the nose, after a while try to let the cheek muscles take over for the fingers/thumb. Once you can reliably keep the wind moving as you disconnect/reconnect with the lungs, start applying it to an easy tone on the trumpet.

Like learning to double and triple tongue (which I learned while riding my bike around on a paper route every day), it was much more simple for me to learn the skill process off of the horn first, then add it to what I could already do. Good luck.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! It's hard! I can't make a good buzz using my mouth's muscles.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google didgeridoo-players, they are very good in it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

delano wrote:
Google didgeridoo-players, they are very good in it.


Why, Thank you, Delano.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listen to the sound at the point at which you change from your resovoir of air in your throat and cheeks and back to lungs again. Aim for it to sound a smooth & continuous note.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:11 am    Post subject: cyclic breathing Reply with quote

How do you get the air into the cheeks?---My inhale takes the air to the lungs.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: cyclic breathing Reply with quote

gvilletpt wrote:
How do you get the air into the cheeks?---My inhale takes the air to the lungs.


As you play allow a bit of extra air in - then you use that air to maintain the air pressure needed to maintain a buzz and inhale really quickly.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found a cool video with James Morrison demonstrating a way of learning circular breathing. Just get a cup of water and a straw and blow bubbles and try to have the bubbles be consistent and not die out.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't recommend the water method for obvious reasons. It is a cool demonstration once you know how to circular breathe, but learning this way often leads to problems.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there any recommended videos on cyclical breathing... Mostly best to learn from listening and watching.
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