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esossai
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:59 pm    Post subject: What Hetman to use? Reply with quote

Hi

I know some have already enquired what the best valve oil but I have a slight different question for the Hetmans fans out there.

I have been using Hetmans #3 but was wondering which one is the best compared to the #2 and the light version.

I am a student and use a King Silver Flair 2055T.

Thanks
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, I don't think it makes much difference. I think they're all about the same (and I've used all three). The problem I've had with Hetman's is that it turns fluorescent yellow after it's been in your horn awhile which makes it a mess to deal with. I'm using Ultrapure now with no such problems.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HERMOKIWI wrote:
Honestly, I don't think it makes much difference. I think they're all about the same (and I've used all three). The problem I've had with Hetman's is that it turns fluorescent yellow after it's been in your horn awhile which makes it a mess to deal with.

Fluorescent yellow? Would be nice for those "Back to the 70-ties" gigs
I'm using Hetman 2 for some years now. Good oil which keeps my old, bit worn out valves running.
I'm guessing the issues you had may either relate to the alloy of your valves/trumpet tubes and/or chemistry of your saliva.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use #1 for my newer Bach and Hetman #3 classic for my 1952 Selmer Paris.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used all three weights with great results. I use Hetman #1 on my newer horns, #2 on horns that are a bit older, and #3 on my vintage horns. If you aren't sure of how tight your valves are, I'd suggest starting with Hetman #2.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know for certain how different 1, 2 and 3 are, but I use 2 on my newer horns, 3 on my oldest. As far as any residue, none that I have seen....can't say the same for a few other oils.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Hetman #1 on pretty much all of my horns. I had been using #3 on my 1974 Strad, until I had the valves rebuilt. No problems. No "fluorescent yellow".

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use 2 on most of my trumpets, just tried some 3 on an old Bach, really can't tell the difference. Never tried 1. I've also never seen any yellow, I think you're just drinking real cheap booze, HERM.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig Swartz wrote:
I use 2 on most of my trumpets, just tried some 3 on an old Bach, really can't tell the difference. Never tried 1. I've also never seen any yellow, I think you're just drinking real cheap booze, HERM.


Actually it might be the opposite. I'll have to think about whether this has been going on only since I switched from Johnnie Walker to Ardbeg, Laphroaig and Lagavulin.

Seriously, though, a lot of players have had the problem of Hetman turning fluorescent yellow. If you Google it you'll find multiple comments. With some players it may be a combination of the valve oil and the Hetman slide grease. All I know for sure is that when I stopped using Hetman the problem disappeared (and it's a really gross problem). I never had a functional problem with Hetman, it was just the issue of a river of fluorescent yellow gunk coming out of the spit valves and a yellow deposit building up on all the slide joints, valve cap joints, etc. I haven't seen a definitive explanation of why this happens with some players.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HERMOKIWI wrote:
Craig Swartz wrote:
I use 2 on most of my trumpets, just tried some 3 on an old Bach, really can't tell the difference. Never tried 1. I've also never seen any yellow, I think you're just drinking real cheap booze, HERM.


Actually it might be the opposite. I'll have to think about whether this has been going on only since I switched from Johnnie Walker to Ardbeg, Laphroaig and Lagavulin.

Seriously, though, a lot of players have had the problem of Hetman turning fluorescent yellow. If you Google it you'll find multiple comments. With some players it may be a combination of the valve oil and the Hetman slide grease. All I know for sure is that when I stopped using Hetman the problem disappeared (and it's a really gross problem). I never had a functional problem with Hetman, it was just the issue of a river of fluorescent yellow gunk coming out of the spit valves and a yellow deposit building up on all the slide joints, valve cap joints, etc. I haven't seen a definitive explanation of why this happens with some players.


I think that very well could be something to do with body chemistry and Hetmans oil, if there have been multiple accounts of this happening, there has to be something to it. I use Hetmans grease with the oil, no problems for me.....again, body chemistry?
Personally I've not had the problem, I did have a problem with Five Star leaving a waxy residue that was very noticeable. I spoke to somebody at the manufacturer who told me that it was parafin, and was harmless. Probably so, but it was annoying enough to me to switch to
Hetmans.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig Swartz wrote:
I think you're just drinking real cheap booze, HERM.

Or accidentally using Hetman Vodka, instead of Hetman valve oil?

https://www.facebook.com/Hetman-Vodka-117322954982371/

(Just kidding.)

HERMOKIWI wrote:
Seriously, though, a lot of players have had the problem of Hetman turning fluorescent yellow. If you Google it you'll find multiple comments. With some players it may be a combination of the valve oil and the Hetman slide grease. All I know for sure is that when I stopped using Hetman the problem disappeared (and it's a really gross problem). I never had a functional problem with Hetman, it was just the issue of a river of fluorescent yellow gunk coming out of the spit valves and a yellow deposit building up on all the slide joints, valve cap joints, etc. I haven't seen a definitive explanation of why this happens with some players.

I use Hetman oils and grease, and have never seen this problem. Could there be other variables here that we're overlooking? I should add that I keep my horns pretty clean, with frequent leadpipe swabbing and frequenty wiping down of my valves. So there isn't much time in my horns for this to happen.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

#2 On most, like my Getzen valves

#1 on Yamaha valves
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure it's a body chemistry issue. I've been using Hetman #2 on most of my horns for over 20 years with no issues, but I have some customers who have had the issue you mentioned. Usually just switching to a different brand solves the issue.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trumpjosh wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's a body chemistry issue. I've been using Hetman #2 on most of my horns for over 20 years with no issues, but I have some customers who have had the issue you mentioned. Usually just switching to a different brand solves the issue.


I will try #2. My horn is not that old and maybe it will run better and faster than #3. Never had any real issu but just feel not as fast with #3.
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HERMOKIWI wrote:
Craig Swartz wrote:
I use 2 on most of my trumpets, just tried some 3 on an old Bach, really can't tell the difference. Never tried 1. I've also never seen any yellow, I think you're just drinking real cheap booze, HERM.


Actually it might be the opposite. I'll have to think about whether this has been going on only since I switched from Johnnie Walker to Ardbeg, Laphroaig and Lagavulin.

Seriously, though, a lot of players have had the problem of Hetman turning fluorescent yellow. If you Google it you'll find multiple comments. With some players it may be a combination of the valve oil and the Hetman slide grease. All I know for sure is that when I stopped using Hetman the problem disappeared (and it's a really gross problem). I never had a functional problem with Hetman, it was just the issue of a river of fluorescent yellow gunk coming out of the spit valves and a yellow deposit building up on all the slide joints, valve cap joints, etc. I haven't seen a definitive explanation of why this happens with some players.
Well- there's a good new poll for you then: how many players on TH find that Hetman's lubes turn a fluorescent yellow? I'd be interested to see if it's actually "a lot" or just one or two more vocal persons. (Or the maker of another brand of lubes. ) So far, in this thread, you're losing that argument...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used Hetman for years, great stuff. I too have noticed the yellow in the bottom caps on all of my horns. It seems to me it gets a tad gummy although it takes a while (seems to coincide with about the time the horn needs cleaning). I'm still a happy customer but also wonder about the cause.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to use Hetman 1 with a previous trumpet. I do recall seeing a slight yellow tint in water dumped from the third valve slide if it had been a long time since I cleaned the instrument, like 8 weeks or more. I usually clean my primary trumpet more often than that, so I didn't see this very often, and it was never a bright fluorescent yellow. I have no idea why it did that, and I haven't seen this happen with other oils.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use #2 with any of my horns, whatever it is a brand new or a vintage one. I oil the valves every day.

I don't know how often you oil your valves, but you have to know Hetmann #1 is almost like water, so if you oil your valves once a week, perhaps you'll have some problem using this grade. You'll have to use a lot of this oil to keep your valves lubed.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found the new Yamaha synthetics to be a good alternative to Hetman. It comes in various weights and doesn't seem to have any yellow issues, and works very well in the school horns I use it on.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Guys

Merry Christmas everybody.

I have the fluorescent yellow issue with Hetman and Yamaha Synthetic Light, but on horns that I don't play very often and leave oiled up. I play my Bach 183 flugel every couple of weeks and oil it with Yamaha Synthetic light. Fluorescent yellow leaches out of the slides. I haven't had an issue with it coming out of the water keys.

I however add a few drop of valve oil to my slide grease. Maybe this is the issue, and I should swap to a slide oil for the tuneable slides.

I use either Yamaha Synthetic Light or Hetman 1 on my Yamaha horns and Bach 183. I use Hetman 2 or Yamaha Synthetic Regular on my Boosey and Hawkes Oxford. I oil and swab the leadpipe and tuning slide (leadpipe only of course with the flugel) every time I play.

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