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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:28 am    Post subject: Seem to be making progress Reply with quote

After a 6 month return to my old ways, I started back with superchops a week or two ago. This time it seems to be working a little better. Just a little shout out to Rich and anyone else who has put videos online.

http://trumpetpla.net/2016/09/27/my-visit-to-stomvi/

It's great to see regular playing without hyperbole or salesmanship getting in the way. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi epoustoufle, thank you so much for sharing this link.
It's only ever my intention to help people by demonstrating how TCE/Superchops has changed my playing for the better.

I was already a professional trumpet player before I took some time off to change to this way of playing and since making that change I will never look back.

You may also be interested in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAC85wFujQI
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Rich,

I've been slogging away on the staccato notes and all that. Progress is patchy - some days forwards, some days backwards. I've been wondering a bit about mouthpieces. I feel it's a sensitive topic, since Mr. Callet is not just a teacher but a vendor and has strong opinions about how a trumpet should sound. I'm mostly interested in just the techniques.

On your blog you have said:

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Here are some common misconceptions relating to Superchops:

You need a small mouthpiece to play with Superchops. FALSE. You can learn to play anything on any mouthpiece. I have learnt how to make a big sound with a small mouthpiece because Superchops is efficient, but I can still play on any mouthpiece I need to should I have to adjust my sound for different playing situations.


The Superchops mouthpieces all have 29 throat and are all shallow. The Jim New website has a fantastic visualizer - these pieces are *shallow* by any measure. In contrast the rim diameters range from Bach 17 to Bach 1.5 widths.

Do you have any advice on the relative importance of diameter, depth, throat, backbore?

Having been at it for 10 weeks, I gravitate back to my Schilke 17 (Bach 1.5C equivalent) mouthpiece for the sound and "bounce". I have a 3C and 7D in my collection too. Not sure how to describe it but the bounce from the Schilke 17 is like a "pom" when you play a note rather than a "keh".

However, if some aspect of the mouthpiece is critical (throat? depth?) then I could look for something else on eBay that would help get over the hump insofar as learning the basics of Superchops.

(I keep telling myself I'll post a video at 3 months to put down a marker. I'll try and keep honest but that deadline might slip.)

Appreciate your comments and opinions - keep 'em coming! Also very interested to check out your book when you make it available.

A bientot,
Mark
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mark,

IThe thing with mouthpieces is that when you are learning TCE then smaller IDs and shallower cups are very helpful and stopping you when you go in the wrong direction and/or fall back into old habits.

I have found in my classical playing that I usually cannot get away with playing on my Superchops 3 or TCE#3 when playing lower parts than people using much bigger gear for the simple reason that I stand out too much. Occasionally intonation has sounded really odd too because I would have more high overtones in my sound than the person playing first trumpet. In some ways you could say that I have to cater to their flaws, but that would be needlessly cruel!

I used to use a Schilke 15B for classical playing and that worked pretty well to blend better with other classical players. I would usually spend a week getting used to it, still practising TCE-type exercises - particularly Bahb's 5-articulation-type exercises. In the last year I have since switched that piece out for a Warburton 4M, which makes a more pleasing tone. I definitely find it less of a compromise. I also have a Warb 7MD, which gives quite a pleasing sound and maintains a relatively smaller internal diameter, but I've not tested that in an ensemble setting.

I don't think we should shy away from the benefits of Superchops. I am proud of my solid articulation and I often receive compliments on the clarity of my sound (in fact I'm quite modest in person and find it a little embarrassing!). But I tend to take an approach similar to that described by Roger Ingram. If I know that I don't need to play above high D then I might as well use a Bach 1-1/2 C. It's not going to prevent me from getting the job done and it just avoids arguments with players who are stuck in their ways.

I made a video a while back of me playing with a Bach 1-1/4C and you wouldn't believe it based on the sound! I don't think, however, that I'd have got to this point had I tried to change my playing just using that mouthpiece all of the time.

To answer your questions more directly. Cups - I guess I still want something that many would call shallow. The Warburton M cup is really nice, maybe you'd like the 3M or 4M. I made this recording with a Warb 9M: http://trumpetpla.net/2015/01/20/trumpet-fantasy/

I think that throats are quite essential for getting the resistance right on a mouthpiece - I tend not to like anything bigger than standard 27 as it just saps energy but in the past I always used to open Vincent Bach mouthpieces to about a 25 to fix intonation. That was before my TCE days and I just stay away from Bach all together these days. I actually find that the Superchops mouthpieces, despite the 29 throat, offer less resistance than some other mouthpieces I have (eg Warb 8SV, or TCE#3, ACB TA-Lead) and I guess that's because of the double-cup design.

To address technique I would say this. Even when using your Schilke 17 you must make sure to use as little air as is required to produce the sound. It will allow you to use much more but that's always going to result in your sound diffusing more, your lips collapsing into the cup, and a general loss of control/finesse. If you can train yourself to hold back and spit the compressed stream of air through your lips then you will sound great!

Final point: Make the recording/video. You don't necessarily have to post it, but keep it for your own records. I have been doing that ever since moving to TCE 4 years ago and it's amazing to look back and see both the struggle and how it wasn't as bad as I thought all along! One of the first videos I made after about 6 weeks sounds great, but I was just so frustrated because it felt uncomfortable. I'm glad I stuck it out!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might also find this piece of Kyle-style Gold to be useful. I love it when I stumble across posts like these...

http://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14780
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