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Nonsense Eliminator Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 5212 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:38 am Post subject: |
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I also play a Bach 1.25C. The problem with just getting a Bach 1.25C flugel piece is that there is no such thing...
I mostly use a Yamaha 17F4. I can never keep track of which shanks go with which brands of horn so I don't know if that's the right shank for yours, but if it is, I'd suggest giving it a try.
I also own a Curry 1.25FL. I've used it and been happy with it, but (1) it's pretty big and woofy-sounding and (2) the rim is, to me, not at all similar to my Bach 1.25. The Yamaha is much closer. I'm not a big believer in freaking out over minute differences among rims; it's a flugel, for me it's going to feel different even with exactly the same rim. But the Curry profile feels much squarer than a Bach and while I can live with it, I don't really like it.
The bottom line for me is that I very, very rarely play nothing but flugel on a gig. (I play in a brass band and it's been a while, but I have sometimes played flugel. Otherwise it's for shows or quintet gigs or whatever.) So I want something that I can pick up and play. I find the Yamaha rim feels comfortable right off the bat and everything works fine.
I would, however, caution against coming to too many conclusions about what rim you want before you try it. I've run into enough people who use a smaller diameter flugel piece that I wouldn't want to discount the possibility out of hand. If it works for you, do it. _________________ Richard Sandals
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delano Heavyweight Member
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Robert Rizzo Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:22 am Post subject: |
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I know where I'd be looking if I was in your position:
Monette B2FLR6 - this will work _________________ Robert Rizzo |
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Irving Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:41 am Post subject: |
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They do exist. I own one. |
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tjyune Regular Member
Joined: 05 Sep 2014 Posts: 17 Location: Southern California, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Flugelhorn Mouthpiece Recommendations |
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Quote: | I am adding this after reading your latest comment: To cure the intonation problem you are having with the Bach mouthpiece (if it is the mouthpiece that is to blame...) send that mouthpiece to Bob Reeves and have him cut the rim off it and match it as a screw rim setup with one of his Flügelhorn mouthpiece underparts (I use the F underpart for higher things and his very deep HF model for most Flügelhorn literature). The end result will be a very good Flügelhorn mouthpiece with a rim that is an exact match to your trumpet mouthpiece. |
That is another great suggestion! Thank you! _________________ "It's not the hours you put in your work that counts, it's the work you put in the hours." - Sam Ewig |
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B. Scriver Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2002 Posts: 1204 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:08 am Post subject: |
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We make a 67.4FL, FL***, FD They can be special order. We have the FD in Stock.
www.grmouthpieces.com |
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tjyune Regular Member
Joined: 05 Sep 2014 Posts: 17 Location: Southern California, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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B. Scriver wrote: | We make a 67.4FL, FL***, FD They can be special order. We have the FD in Stock.
www.grmouthpieces.com |
So, what GR mouthpiece do you recommend for a person normally using a Bach 1-1/4 C size? _________________ "It's not the hours you put in your work that counts, it's the work you put in the hours." - Sam Ewig |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8910 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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tjyune wrote: | B. Scriver wrote: | We make a 67.4FL, FL***, FD They can be special order. We have the FD in Stock.
www.grmouthpieces.com |
So, what GR mouthpiece do you recommend for a person normally using a Bach 1-1/4 C size? |
From the GR website...
http://www.grmouthpieces.com/.674----17.12mm.html _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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Dieter Z Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2013 Posts: 449 Location: Mountains of North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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So far no one asked the question what kind of sound concept you have in mind, what kind of music you want to play, and how full or 'bright' do you want your Flugel to sound.
That to me would determine what mouthpiece I am looking for.
Size wise I would stay with the same or similar rim size _________________ B & H Sovereign 928
Conn 80A
F. Besson Brevette Kanstul made
B&S Challenger II 3137 rl
Buescher 400 - 225 (WWII)
Benge 90C
Eastman 540 D/Eb
ACB Fluegelhorn
Selmer Picc
ACB mouthpieces for most of my playing |
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Sound concept: good point. There is a fad of "as dark as possible." To me, that deprives the flugelhorn of its possibilities of its inimicable flexibility of clear to piquant to smoky to dark tone.
My tonal concept is smoky for solos and brighter for section work. To that end on my Couesnon, I have two actual contemporary to the horn Couesnon mouthpieces. One makes it smoky for lead and the other is just barely brighter for section work. Both help the horn have great intonation all the way through the range, even above the staff (the Achilles' heel of flugels), but still with definitive flugel tone and response.
I am thinking it is in the backbores of these mouthpieces, not the rim size or cup depth. For me, all three Curry depths went flat in the upper register, as did the other mouthpieces I tried. YMMV, especially with different makes and models of horns. _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
Bach cornet modded to be a 181L clone
Couesnon Flugelhorn and C trumpet
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Dieter Z Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2013 Posts: 449 Location: Mountains of North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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I play occasional my Flugel.
For a more smokey sound I prefer my Wick 4 and 2. These give a super fluffy/flugely sound.
To play in our local orchestra and be able to be heard 'against 9 other trumpets I use my ACB 1.25 MDF and ACB 1.24 EXTRA DEEP (forgot the abbreviation) _________________ B & H Sovereign 928
Conn 80A
F. Besson Brevette Kanstul made
B&S Challenger II 3137 rl
Buescher 400 - 225 (WWII)
Benge 90C
Eastman 540 D/Eb
ACB Fluegelhorn
Selmer Picc
ACB mouthpieces for most of my playing |
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HornnOOb Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Jun 2010 Posts: 897 Location: East of the Sun & West of the Moon
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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I like the Denis Wick 2F _________________ I rode in on a horse and can't seem to get out of L.A.
Severinsen Destino 3*
1971 Getzen Eterna 900S Severinsen Model
1984 Getzen Eterna 896 Flugelhorn
1951 Olds Special Cornet
Denis Wick 1C Heavytop
Getzen Flugel 3C |
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bassguy Veteran Member
Joined: 25 May 2016 Posts: 336
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Yamaha |
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JVL Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Feb 2016 Posts: 892 Location: Nissa, France
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hello
if yamaha Shew's ID suits you, it has a wonderful sound.
Otherwise, still in yamaha, Dutot's mpc has a closer ID to yours.
best |
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ConnArtist Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Mar 2008 Posts: 2810 Location: La-la Land (corner of 13th and 13th)
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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If you want it to sound like a flugelhorn (and not a trumpet), Curry, Wick, or Flip Oaks Xtremes are good ones to try. _________________ "Stomvi" PhrankenPhlugel w/ Blessing copper bell
1958 Conn 18A cornet
1962 Conn 9A cornet (yes, the Unicorn )
Reynolds Onyx cornet
c. 1955? Besson 10-10 trumpet
1939 Martin Imperial Handcraft “Model 37â€
1986 Bach Strad 37 ML |
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Locutus2k Heavyweight Member
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 635 Location: Rome, Italy
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:53 am Post subject: |
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I strongly suggest Curry! FL is mid of the road FLD is deep but is very easy to play and have a gorgeous sound. I don't care for the highest cup it doesn't play good on my flugel.
If you contact Curry he make a "J" (Jazz) cup that is terrific. I think is based on old Giardinelli design but i may be wrong. Medium deep, rich sound ... think of Clark Terry. My favorite flugel piece hands down. _________________ ------------------------
Edwards X-13
Lawler TL5 Balanced 30th Anniversary (#2 of 5)
Lawler TL5 L bore
Bach NY Special edition 2008
Flugel Van Laar Oiram Ack
Mark Curry mouthpieces
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GuidoCorona Veteran Member
Joined: 29 May 2014 Posts: 377 Location: Summerville, SC
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Interesting, not heard yet of the "J" Curry cup.
Where does it fit tonally along the standard Curry D, no letter, M series... And what are its cup/throat/backbore characteristics?
What is its cost from Mark... And/or can it be ordered from Mouthpieceexpress or other reseller?
Regards, G. _________________ Cornet: Carolbrass CCR7772R-GSS
Euphoniums: Miraphone M5050. Wessex Festivo |
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Locutus2k Heavyweight Member
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 635 Location: Rome, Italy
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:25 am Post subject: |
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GuidoCorona wrote: | Interesting, not heard yet of the "J" Curry cup.
Where does it fit tonally along the standard Curry D, no letter, M series... And what are its cup/throat/backbore characteristics?
What is its cost from Mark... And/or can it be ordered from Mouthpieceexpress or other reseller?
Regards, G. |
Never heard of the "D" flugel cup. The Curry J cup is similar to the FL, a bit shallower different throat and (i suppose) bbore. Is not on the Curry catalogue, he makes this cup on order directly, maybe can be obtained from a retailer if he asks Curry, don't know. I think is the same price of the other flugel cups. Is more brilliant sounding than the FLD or FL but still with a flugelhorn "core". It reminds me of the Clark terry sound. _________________ ------------------------
Edwards X-13
Lawler TL5 Balanced 30th Anniversary (#2 of 5)
Lawler TL5 L bore
Bach NY Special edition 2008
Flugel Van Laar Oiram Ack
Mark Curry mouthpieces
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Lionel Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Flugelhorn Mouthpiece Recommendations |
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tjyune wrote: | Hello,
Can you recommend some good Flugelhorn mouthpieces? I normally use a Bach 1-1/4C size with around a 23 throat. I just thought I'd use the same size for the flugelhorn (1-1/4C FL) and a friend of mine said that you need to use a smaller mouthpiece on a flugelhorn, like a 7C. I wasn't sure about the logic behind it. Maybe some of you guys can share your expertise?
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Really kind of depends what register you want to play in. Typically the flugel slots poorly around high C and above. And only Maynard used his flugel to play around high G anyway.
The highest note in standard flugel literature is Mangione's D above high C in "Feel So Good".
At most times I play a cornet mouthpiece around a 3C size on my flugel. Which while much larger than the scream/shallow piece I use on trumpet? Works well for me on flugel. All of my mouthpieces have the same rim contour. No sharp edges. Nothing flat nor otherwise likely to cut into the flesh. _________________ "Check me if I'm wrong Sandy but if I kill all the golfers they're gonna lock me up & throw away the key"!
Carl Spackler (aka Bill Murray, 1980). |
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